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Old 11 June 2013, 04:07   #71
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I haven't got a Scooby doo who they but they are the ones mentioned in PolarBear. this his actual post and it's him that mentioned them I was reacting to what I saw as a criticism of good practice by an ex official of the Coast Guard. I have emboldened the relevant passages that caused me most concern



Oh and by the way - all MRCCs monitor 67 and use it as the primary working frequency. Solent is unique in that there is an extreme concentration of pleasure craft users and "sunday boaters"... My years at Humber, we did very few radio checks. Commercial vessels, fishing vessels and the offshore industry don't do radio checks with the coastguard, but they are hugely popular in the solent. I believe it is self perpetuating. There are lots of beginner boaters on the water in the solent, and I suppose they hear others doing radio checks with solent, and assume they should do the same themselves. I never minded issuing radio checks tbh, as for the most part they are simple to respond to, and it is good that people have the confidence to call up - but perhaps it is worth remembering the alternatives, and ask yourself why you are calling. One call from you might encourage 10 newbies to do the same... For some reason nobody ever calls southampton VTS for a radio check
Have you not misinterpreted what he is saying?? He seems to be discouraging the use of c16 in the Solent for checks.

I read into that that newbies should be looking at alternatives for carrying out radio checks other than c16 i.e c67, VTS or marinas.
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I haven't got a Scooby doo who they but they are the ones mentioned in PolarBear's post.
Thanks for clearing that up.....Scooby Doo ! now your showing your old age

Back to MRCC and another subject they discussed...........High line transfers

Ill start another thread on this as they are open to vessels pre arranging a high line transfer with the SAR helicopter. Each member of the SAR team carry out 48 hours of training per week and welcome requests from vessel owners / users to carry out a high line transfer with the helicopter crew. Its booked through the MRCC, request form in hand, new thread started.
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Old 11 June 2013, 04:40   #73
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I read into that that newbies should be looking at alternatives for carrying out radio checks other than c16 i.e c67, VTS or marinas.
I think the radio checks with alternative stations as well as the CG is an excellent idea as it does build confidence in radio usage. It can be off putting for 'newbies' to pick up the hand set and call the CG in the Solent on a saturday with a few hundred listening to them. QHM, VTS, a marina, club or another vessel will probably have less listeners and traffic and be just as willing to respond.

I think the message is, call the CG on 16 for your radio check, preferably use 67 in the Solent area or occasionally try another station.
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Old 11 June 2013, 04:58   #74
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I think the message is, call the CG on 16 for your radio check, preferably use 67 in the Solent area or occasionally try another station.
Actually PolarBear said all CGs monitor 67. So why not try the call on 67 for any CG? Then if they don't respond move to 16 and make contact.

I'm of the view passage plan should be the answer although - "Mum Dad and the Dog going for some wave jumping round the corner from Cowes" probably the reason so few are heard in the Solent. But for people with a destination I think it makes sense. However I'm now worrying about the 10 listeners who then think the CG will check they came home? Although at least they'll also hear mention og CG66 and think whats that and maybe look it up...?
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Actually PolarBear said all CGs monitor 67. So why not try the call on 67 for any CG? Then if they don't respond move to 16 and make contact.
All CG's monitor 67 except Portland which uses 73 as their working channel and this is where it can get confusing. Therefore always best to call on 16 and then move to the working channel, except Solent CG who prefer you to call on 67 for routine traffic.

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Although at least they'll also hear mention og CG66 and think whats that and maybe look it up...?
Agreed CG66 is an excellent system which all vessel owners should sign up to. FOC and could pay dividends if the worst was to happen.

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Old 11 June 2013, 05:46   #76
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Is that what they call YTS these days?

My answer would probably get political, but it could work, though I'm guessing if they had time to show those reprobates round on a sunny weekend its not quite breaking point!
yes it stands for youth opportunities program and its from the 1970's It was a Standing Joke that it stood for 'young orrible person'

I wasn't trying to make a poltical point I was just suggesting a solution to a problem that apparently exists
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I wasn't trying to make a poltical point I was just suggesting a solution to a problem that apparently exists
Don't think the issue is manpower, but that only one person can talk on a voice channel at once, plus from what I've heard a LOT of over speaking happens presumably because people only hear half the transmissions.

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All CG's monitor 67 except Portland which uses 73 as their working channel and this is where it can get confusing. Therefore always best to call on 16 and then move to the working channel, except Solent CG who prefer you to call on 67 for routine traffic.
So should the exception to the rule nto be for those punters in Portland to use 73 but everyone else to try first non urgent contact to CG on 67 in all areas then if that fails to move to 16?
When (if) Portland closes anyone know what'll happen?
Better still people should be using DSC. Still shocked at the very limitted use of DSC in the solent area. I know people have old boats with old kit etc but DSC's been the only fixed set available for at least 10 years and there is a lot of shiny white boats down there... I suspect there is an element of announcing you are out to your mates...
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You lot know the score...

. HMCG welcome radio checks for many reasons. Not least of which is an officers ability to plan a search based on one radio check if he has to.

. Radio checks are unnecessary on Ch16 if working frequencies are monitored. Furthermore, excessive traffic on Ch16 is a serious hazard to us all, hence the importance to properly police this frequency IF required.

. Radio check results (signal strength and readability) should be thoughtfully assessed by the requesting station. A response is not absolute success. Which radio site was I received on, and how might my result change as I proceed 20 miles off?

. My official voice has not been used since the MCA stopped paying my mortgage nearly 3 years ago, but alas, the song remains the same, its just harder to sing right in txt spk... Sorry if I made my comments ambiguous...

. On the subject of passage plans - if you are filing one, then yep - you are likely to get a free radio check during that exchange. Just dont forget - the CG does not monitor ETAs - your shore contact must raise the alarm if you become overdue!!

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Thank you Matt for clearing up my obfuscation and I couldn't agree with you more both about the CG and typing
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All CG's monitor 67 except Portland which uses 73 as their working channel and this is where it can get confusing. Therefore always best to call on 16 and then move to the working channel, except Solent CG who prefer you to call on 67 for routine traffic.
Default working channel up here was usually not 67 either, but things may have changed in the recent restructure.

Actually probably best to DSC call them and then they can automatically switch you to the right channel?

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yes it stands for youth opportunities program and its from the 1970's It was a Standing Joke that it stood for 'young orrible person'
Ah the predecessor to YTS.
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I wasn't trying to make a poltical point I was just suggesting a solution to a problem that apparently exists
I'm sure there are young people who would jump at the chance to take part in the equivalent (modern apprenticeships?); I'm sure some of them would even be quite good. As Shinyshoe says though manpower is not the only limitation of the system.
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It seems Ive perhaps caused some more confusion, as indeed Portland and one or two other stations use 73 for primary working. The only reason for this is the proximity to the Solent Aerials, and again, the large volume of traffic. The standard is 67.

Perhaps the easiest way of putting it is that all MRCCs monitor VHF/MF (where fitted) working frequencies aswell as VHF/MF DSC, and these frequencies and a wealth of other information on the station in question is provided in the Admiralty List Of Radio Signals (ALRS Vol5). This book gives mariners the answers to their questions about how to make contact with a particular radio station, and what services the station provide.
I dont really expect every small vessel on the solent to carry this book, but the information is widely available elsewhere. If you only ever use the solent, then you only have one set of procedures to learn... namely radio checks on Ch67, or Ch70 (DSC routine call), everything else on Ch16.

Passage plans can always be passed over the phone too - they will still get logged in the radio traffic log, and this keeps the general level of radio traffic down a little.
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