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Old 24 August 2004, 03:40   #41
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We hope to join you, me, 6 y/o Natasha and Vivienne (missus). Make that at least 9 now.
I shall try to drag 2 other boats along too. No promises.
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Old 24 August 2004, 03:42   #42
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Great news, Mark, would love to see your crowd there and any other boats you can rustle up! The more the merrier, and the more money we will raise .

P.S. Sorry, Nick, and anyone else who was hoping for the first date.
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Old 25 August 2004, 11:23   #43
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A Big Thank You

On behalf of Paul, Sue, Richard and myself I would like to say a very big THANK YOU to Peter J and his company Pool Store who have donated TWO ride-on water toys as prizes in the treasure hunt. They arrived today and they look like they will bring lots of fun to the families that win them.

If you would like a chance to win one of these (or one of the other prizes) please post here so we know how many clue sheets to print.

To Janet & Bill, Bogi and Robin - I'm not sure if you are able to make the new date (19th September). Please post here to let me know. Thanks.

Any other donations of prizes will be gratefully received!!

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Old 25 August 2004, 17:10   #44
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I was hoping to be able to be away from home on my wedding anniversary (4th of September) for the treasure hunt. Unfortunately I am stuck in Utrecht (Netherland) on 19th (flying from Stansted on 17th). Hope to be able attend next treasure hunt.

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Safety

You may have read about the unfortunate accident that happened to a young girl recently which involved a safety boat. See this thread for further information. Another sad accident.

In light of the above and as this is an organised event (by Louise) it got me thinking what precautions, safety requirements, risk evaluations etc where necessary and prudent for the protection of the kids and parents involved . God forbid that anything might happen to someone as it is a “fun” event but unfortunately and regrettably sometimes they do. I think I also remember Richard talking about the need for the evaluation of risk on a different thread.

Additionally, I recently attended the Bangor ribraid along with Gavin and Alan and on day one 3 people where flipped from their rib and one required medical attention and some stitches. Safety briefings where held each day and generally it was well organised and nothing else happened on day two.

When I was talking to the organiser (Louise’s equivalent) they said that they had to have, I think he called it, “public liability” insurance as ultimately they (the organisers) would be held responsible for any unfortunate mishap and part of the fees was to cover this insurance. Individual insurance by each skipper would not suffice and they may not have any. Additionally, I think he said that there was a requirement for the organiser or a representative to be a qualified safety officer on the day.

I know this is a fun trip but hopefully, one of the professional experienced people here who knows what they're talking about knows what is required, if anything, to ensure the safety of all involved especially the kiddies -just incase it hasn't been addressed by the organiser.





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Thanks for expressing your concerns, Paul.

I have not yet spoken with Paul, Sue or Richard but as a result of reading Paul's post, I think my co-organisers (Paul and Sue - who have done the vast majority of the work so far in organising this - and Richard) and I need to discuss whether the Treasure Hunt can go ahead or not. If we decide we cannot go ahead, I will be very sad for Paul and Sue who have worked incredibly hard on setting the clues and course. And I will, of course, return donated prizes.

In an age of litigation, personally, I do not want to be held liable (either legally, financially or morally) for any accidents which may occur and I don't think we have the time or inclination to organise public liability insurance. The four of us thought of this as a family cruise with the added 'fun' element of a treasure hunt.

Of course we have been considering the safety aspects of the event and hoped we had designed a suitable course, allowing adequate time to get to places, and we were intending to use our RIB as a support/safety boat, but as neither Richard nor I are trained first aiders perhaps this is not enough? Perhaps Kevin or Daniel could tell us what risk assessment, insurance etc they had for the June Treasure Hunt? Or maybe Martin could tell us what and how safety issues have been addressed for his club's Round the Island Log competition? Don't remember the question of safety/liability being asked on those threads.

Perhaps Paul, Sue, Richard and I have been naive in thinking we could organise a simple family fun day so easily and with so little cost (the whole proceeds of the entry fees would have gone to the charity - all prizes were donated). I think we assumed that everyone would be happy to be responsible for his/her own boat and crew, just as they are every other time they go boating.

To summarise, Paul's post has, rightfully, got me thinking more about the implications of organising such an event and I think we (the organisers) need to talk to decide if (and maybe how) we go forward with this. So watch this space. Sorry if we disappoint anyone.

Thinking more widely now, if we need to do full risk assessments and take out insurance for an event such as this one, does that mean the end of pre-planned cruising in company? I certainly hope not! Maybe an expert in safety or insurance could let us know?
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In an age of litigation, personally, I do not want to be held liable (either legally, financially or morally) for any accidents which may occur and I don't think we have the time or inclination to organise public liability insurance. The four of us thought of this as a family cruise with the added 'fun' element of a treasure hunt.
I agree with you Louise, I think the world is going to become a very Sad place indeed if something as relatively simple as a day out with friends or New friends haveing a bit of harmless fun becomes subject to Litigation Laws then no one will be doing anything with anyone incase someone Sues them!
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Blimey..... I for one will sign a bit of paper taking full responsibility for myself and my occupants and recognising that we are all co-organisers if that helps?

Can't believe you'd have to cancel a family day for this reason. What a sick world.
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Blimey..... I for one will sign a bit of paper taking full responsibility for myself and my occupants and recognising that we are all co-organisers if that helps
Yes, so will I if I can make it and not moving house!!
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