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Old 28 December 2012, 06:55   #11
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I did start my last post with. "They just can't help themselves" but started again just in case I was being anal. Surely to go or not to go is partly what racing is about. The tactical part in my opinion is just as important as speed and can win races if its going to be silly it would be better to cruise in company and take it out if the hands the RYA and all the other rule makers who strive to kill off racing
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Old 28 December 2012, 07:07   #12
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I've yet to read one of Alans posts that is something other than negative and dismissive of everyone elses boating ventures and that doesn't come across as being very 'smug' .......

Can't you try and cheer up and be posative & encourging ?
Morning Pete. I think in this case it was a swipe at the rules instead of the boat. I won't talk for Alan but like me he doesn't do what I call Klingons. They cost us large money for little return. Ill might be as bold to say as like me he is old school and has sometimes a total disregard to the rule makers when they are just being stupid. Alan has met and been at the hands of these buggers far more than me and it does make you grumpy
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Morning Pete. I think in this case it was a swipe at the rules instead of the boat. I won't talk for Alan but like me he doesn't do what I call Klingons. They cost us large money for little return. Ill might be as bold to say as like me he is old school and has sometimes a total disregard to the rule makers when they are just being stupid. Alan has met and been at the hands of these buggers far more than me and it does make you grumpy
I can fully get that, but maybe some more text may make that clearer, or some use of the smily faces....
You at least admit to being grumpy... ;-).

I'd agree the world now is full of rules to keep us safe from ourselves....

Like you I'm just lucky enough to be older than I look...so I keep telling myself
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I did start my last post with. "They just can't help themselves" but started again just in case I was being anal. Surely to go or not to go is partly what racing is about. The tactical part in my opinion is just as important as speed and can win races if its going to be silly it would be better to cruise in company and take it out if the hands the RYA and all the other rule makers who strive to kill off racing
The wind limit as it stands is a limit for me - I'm not interested in being part of an event that is limited to 25 knots offshore when there is lots of protection - I'm not really happy about the limit at all to be honest, I think it's too low and not well thought out, this was announced at the last meeting that Mike Lloyd ran by JP along with the announcement that passenger permit holders would have to present a CV of their experience and put the nail in the coffin for me along with some other stuff.
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Whilst I'm not happy about the wind speed limitation as it is - the point that people miss so much - is that this (and other rule changes) are often brought in as a result of insurance cover requirements, legal reasons etc.

All to easy to blame the RYA without knowing the full facts.

As to regards of the 25knot wind limitation - I hope this does get looked at and detailed far more as to the exact requirements. Clearly it is not as simple as putting a single wind speed figure down.
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Whilst I'm not happy about the wind speed limitation as it is - the point that people miss so much - is that this (and other rule changes) are often brought in as a result of insurance cover requirements, legal reasons etc.

All to easy to blame the RYA without knowing the full facts.

As to regards of the 25knot wind limitation - I hope this does get looked at and detailed far more as to the exact requirements. Clearly it is not as simple as putting a single wind speed figure down.
With respect WHY it is in place doesn't matter to the competitors - it's the limit that counts! The announcement was made by the RYA (as an insurance led decision) and the RYA is the only point of contact to sort it out - I don't even know who the insurance company or broker is - maybe we should find out and ask them? Will this limit be applied to all Marathon racing? Surely it should if the insurance company is insisting on it - what about class III and all other racing?

I have asked about this, the Race CV for the passenger permits and the revised dunk test but no firm answer in writing to any of it as yet - I hope "They" can sort it early in the new year as it is only harming the racing.
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With respect WHY it is in place doesn't matter to the competitors - it's the limit that counts!
Not strictly true and I don't think you are representing all the competitors - some do care why and others clearly not.

But as with many things - you need to understand how it works if you are going to improve it.

Certainly I hope this limit is raised or better defined to give more scope.
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Not strictly true and I don't think you are representing all the competitors - some do care why and others clearly not.

But as with many things - you need to understand how it works if you are going to improve it.

Certainly I hope this limit is raised or better defined to give more scope.
Fair enough although I don't represent anyone - just my team. As this is a public free forum it's a place for discussing issues although this probably isn't the thread for it!

As with anything raised on here that effects me and my team I raise that issues directly with whoever I can to resolve it - I have contacted the RYA and have been told that they are trying to at least add a direction caveat to the wind limit, there was no mention at all of a raising of the limit unless you know better as you have better connections to officialdom? Who else could I contact about this? You obviously have information I don't?

Of course we agree that the limit isn't in the remotely bit sensible and will not help the race, as I said before it is a big issue for me as I don't want to tow my boat to the SOF and I'm absolutely certain most if not all teams would agree with me on that point!

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I don't know too much on this one actually - part from it is being looked at along with many other issues. Just hope they are successful and get the race to happen.

Never come across wind limits before and I cannot really see how they can be applied. Twenty five knots maybe a force 6 - which can be bad in some circumstances - but I'm sure it something (and worse) that everyone racing would be expecting to encounter during the race.

But so many unanswered aspects of it - is it an average wind speed, a possiblity of a gust of that speed, any point on the actual leg ? All wildy different.

Anyway some common sense comes into play - but if this is something that the insurance companies have come up with it is pretty worrying for the future of Marathon racing. Although as far as I know there have been no insurance claims from current Marathon events as a result of raciung in stronger wind conditions (as the case has often been).

Anyway, all the best for a great 2013.
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