Qualifications needed for RIB hire?

Hi All
I've had a couple of Ribs (5.5M & 6.5) in my time but I never quite got round to doing any RYA courses or the like. As I'm living in London at the present time I'd like to be able to hire a rib/boat on my holidays this summer. My question to you guys is, what do I need in order to hire a mid-size (6M) rib?
Also, anyone know of where I could do these in London?
Thanks
Bob

Bob

Depends where you're going on your hols. Most of our European cousins are insisting on what's called and ICC (International Certificate of Competence). This is issued by the RYA on stisfactory completion of usually their two day 'Level 2' powerboat course (or equivalent if you can convince them!)

Your best bet is to give the RYA a call and ask them specifically about the country you are going to visit, but beware that holding an ICC is not guaranteed to let you hire a boat or use it on the local waters. It's not an international boat drivers licence though it is widely recognised. Once you've checked in with the RYA, it would be worth finding out which port authority have jurasdiction over the waters that you'll be using, and double check with them.

Sounds a bit more complicated than it should be, but worth checking if your hols are reliant on getting afloat.

The RYA will also tell you where your local recognised training centre is for your course. In any case, worth getting 'trained' to fill in any gaps.

Good luck
BB

I also meant to say that if you want to use any 'inland waterways' the chances are that you will need the CEVNI qualification. This is not too onerous......buy a book, read it, and answer 20 or so multiple choice questions. Also issued by RYA through the RTC's. Many people tag on their CEVNI exam at the end of their level2 course.

Thanks very much BassBoy, much appreciated. I'll do a bit of investigating.
All the best.

We run bareboat rib charter and all we require is RYA level 2.

I tried to hire a rib in france using my level 2 icc, he looked as if he had never seen one before and didnt have a clue what it was. He would only accept a french qualification.

Nick.

ICC is only "officially" needed for the inland waterways in France. France (along with a number of other countries) hasn't signed up to Resolution 40. However, the French do like their paperwork and an ICC isn't a bad thing to have

The RYA site is pretty good for info if you search on ICC and then pick and choose from the menu it gives you,

Hi Nic
Might be worth getting an ICC from the RYA for next time. Pretty easy to do on line now I think. They just need money and a passport photo. (and Lev2!)

The front cover of an ICC cert translates the following into French and Spanish.

International Certificate for Operator of Pleasure Craft
'In conformity with resolution No.40 of the Working Party on Inland Water Transport United Nations Economic Commision for Europe'

The back cover translates the following into Dutch, Italian,Danish, French,Spanish,German, Greek and Portugese....

'The holder of this document has successfully passed the tests necessary to demonstrate his/her competence to operate pleasure craft'

Seaskills

Do you CEVNI for Inland?

BB

Hi Nic
Might be worth getting an ICC from the RYA for next time. Pretty easy to do on line now I think. They just need money and a passport photo. (and Lev2!)


Here's a tip for you. If you're not already a member, join the RYA. ICC issue is free for members (and it's cheaper to join the RYA than pay the ICC fee)

Seaskills

Do you CEVNI for Inland?

BB

Yes, CEVNI needed for inland - but as you said earlier, it's not very onerous

Bob

we offer Bare boat charter for our 6.0m rib, we can also offer you an RYA level 2 course with ICC if required, this will put you in good stead if you charter in Europe. If you have been boating for a few seasons this can be done as a direct assessment.

www.oceansports.info

I tried to hire a rib in france using my level 2 icc, he looked as if he had never seen one before and didnt have a clue what it was. He would only accept a french qualification.

Nick.

And at the other end of the scale I managed to hire a 4.8m with a 40 on the transom for a day in Italy and the guy didn't even want to look at my certificate! :eek:

I guess it just depends on the hirer.

Bob

It's not an international boat drivers licence I think you will find that it is in fact an international boat drivers license.

[QUOTE=9D280;243294] And at the other end of the scale I managed to hire a 4.8m with a 40 on the transom for a day in Italy and the guy didn't even want to look at my certificate! :eek:

Doug
Thats ther perception, but aften not the reality!

I tried to hire a rib in france using my level 2 icc, he looked as if he had never seen one before and didnt have a clue what it was. He would only accept a french qualification.

Nick.

Just shout at him slowly and loudly in English:)

BassBoy!

Might be worth getting an ICC from the RYA for next time. Pretty easy to do on line now I think. They just need money and a passport photo. (and Lev2!)

This was an ICC from the RYA with a photograph and the description in several languages!

I am not sure who else does an ICC that we might be talking about.

Nick.

Only RYA for UK (and only UK residents) ICC
:)

Only RYA for UK (and only UK residents) ICC
:)

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Sorry if I wasn't clear Nik. I was responding to the previous post in this thread and my note was simply pointing out that it is only the RYA that issues ICCs for British residents. Other countries have agencies that issue ICCs for their own residents.

It doesn't help your situation. I know that you have a proper ICC issued by the RYA and that it wasn't recognised in France. That doesn't surprise me, and they are entitled to insist on their own qualification if they choose.

ICC (whichever country issued it) just confirms that you have been assessed to a standard level which may be equivalent to the host countries own qualification, but it may not be accepted in countries that have not implemented Resolution no. 40 of the Working Party on Inland Water Transport United Nations Economic Commission for Europe ... such as France

thanks Ian,
the thing that makes me laugh is that the french insist on a cevni qulification for inland waterways, "unless" you are a holidaymaker and want to hire a boat.
Nick.

Yep, there's always something about the French to make you laugh. My Gran's family was French.

.....simply pointing out that it is only the RYA that issues ICCs for British residents.

Both BSAC and BWSF (British Wateski Federation) can issue ICCs too.

I think you will find that it is in fact an international boat drivers license.

My understanding is that it can't actually be considered as such as an ICC gives no rights as it is evidence of competence. It is up to countries and areas within those countries to decide whether they are happy to accept it. That particular hire chap aside (who clearly does not have many customers from the UK!) i've yet to hear of a situation where these qualifications are not accepted by the relevant authorities though.



Incidently ICCs issued by the RYA can be to either British Nationals (irrespective of where they are) or 'bona-fide' British Residents of any nationality.

Regards

Paul

Quote: .....simply pointing out that it is only the RYA that issues ICCs for British residents.


I believe that BSAC will issue an ICC to holders of it's Divers Cox'n qualification.

I hired a jet ski when out in portugal and the guy said if I had brought my PB Level 2 certificate then I could of taken the jet ski where I liked etc, but as I had no proof of it had to stick to their course that they had set out.

Will


Bit of an old thread you have dug up but-...This guy is following his own or a local interpretation of the ICC and Portugese law.