Watch out for TIMBER!!! [Archive]

codprawn

14 January 2008, 01:42

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/7186430.stm

http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-newsroom/mcga-press-releases.htm?id=4D75807BC262F479&m=1&y=2008

A ship carrying timber is listing to 40deg and has already lost some timber over the side - it's off the Dorset coast. The ship has been totally abandoned and a rescue will be attempted iat first light.

Nice to here everyone is safe but watch out for all those logs!!!

Martha Focker

14 January 2008, 12:56

cheep door frames anyone hand made, might be a bit soggy though:D

codprawn

14 January 2008, 13:39

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/7186430.stm

Some good aerial footage from the rescue chopper as well.

Apparently most of the timber on deck is now in the drink!!! Anyone with a woodburner living by a beach will be laughing - just watch you don't hit any with your RIB!!!

havener

14 January 2008, 15:30

What with the Napoli and now this one, anyone on the Lyme Bay coast who's actually had to buy anything this year will be the odd one out ! :D

Solent-Salted

14 January 2008, 15:53

Kernow

14 January 2008, 17:25

I remember a few years back when another timber hauler lost it's load off Cornwall.

Didn't take long for the load to start covering beaches, coves and (supposedly) inaccessible rock formations.

It was all gone within days, people were using old smugglers tracks dating back over 500 years to collect the wood.

New Sheds and decking appeared in peoples gardens as if by magic :D

Is it now Devons turn?

No, us Cornish are by far the best wreckers, I reckon Mollers n Parkesy will have rubbed each other in the left over fat from the Turkey, tipped the mice nest out their speedos and will be jumping in anytime now!:D

codprawn

14 January 2008, 18:43

http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-press-releases?id=AA3DA842AEB80490&m=1&y=2008

Look out here's another one!!!

A large car carrier has gone aground - didn't this happen a while ago as well???

ian parkes

14 January 2008, 22:01

No, us Cornish are by far the best wreckers, I reckon Mollers n Parkesy will have rubbed each other in the left over fat from the Turkey, tipped the mice nest out their speedos and will be jumping in anytime now!:D

Ohh yes Comin are e, I know a good smugglers track .

From the pictures on the tv I can't understand why they haven't got a tow on it today , it looked a lot calmer .
is it something to do with salvage rights and who's paying that delays these things or is it more difficult to get a tow sorted than i think??

Alex Brown

15 January 2008, 07:06

She went down this morning - http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-newsroom/mcga-press-releases.htm?id=32656051412829A3&m=1&y=2008

What you see on tv and what it's really like can be two completely different things. Plus, if they knew she was unstable, and with a possibility of going down, the last thing they'd want to do is make it fast to a tug.

-Alex

Solent-Salted

15 January 2008, 07:45

Got to say,

Hats off to the CG Parrafin parrot pilots and Torbay Lifeboat crew, looks like they were operating on the limit.

Nick Hearne

15 January 2008, 07:53

http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-press-releases?id=AA3DA842AEB80490&m=1&y=2008

Look out here's another one!!!

A large car carrier has gone aground - didn't this happen a while ago as well???

It's now been refloated & on it's way!:thumbs:

http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-newsroom/mcga-press-releases.htm?id=374E546A8811502C&m=1&y=2008

Mollers

15 January 2008, 19:50

No, us Cornish are by far the best wreckers, I reckon Mollers n Parkesy will have rubbed each other in the left over fat from the Turkey, tipped the mice nest out their speedos and will be jumping in anytime now!:D

'Jumped in by now' You're way off Sunshine! Parkesy has built and fitted 3 kitchens with his stash already and I'm living in mine.:thumbs:

codprawn

16 January 2008, 12:06

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7191061.stm

Apparently a wood "slick" is drifting towards the coast - nice aerial footage of it - looks a nightmare for boaters for some time ye.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7189617.stm

Leave this timber alone scavengers have been warned!!! As if it would be viable to salvage it - it would be far better for all concerned if people remove every scrap washed up!!!

AndyB007

17 January 2008, 19:39

QUEENS HARBOUR MASTER PORTSMOUTH
NAVIGATION WARNING
NAV WARN 1/08

Drifting Timber Eastern Approaches To The Solent

MARINERS ARE ADVISED THAT A FIVE MILE RAFT OF FLOATING TIMBER REPORTED TO BE SOUTH OF THE ISLE OF WIGHT AM ON 17 JAN IS PREDICTED TO ARRIVE IN THE EASTERN APPROACHES OF THE SOLENT DURING THE EVENING OF 18/19 JAN 08; THIS COULD SPREAD INTO THE SOLENT DURING 19/20 JAN.

SOME OF THE TIMBER IS IN LARGE BALES APPROX 3M X 3M AND 10 M LONG WHILST SOME IS BROKEN UP. CAUTION SHOULD BE EXERCISED WHEN NAVIGATING IN THIS AREA.

ANY SIGHTINGS LARGE OR SMALL ARE TO BE REPORTED WITH APPROXIMATE POSITION TO QHM PORTSMOUTH ON VHF CHANNEL 11 OR BY TELEPHONE ON 023927 - 23689 / 23694

Take care everyone.

Andy

ian parkes

17 January 2008, 19:45

codprawn

17 January 2008, 21:19

Because timber is pretty cheap!!!

Solent-Salted

18 January 2008, 07:47

I'll be down the Solent tomorrow, probably western end.

Will have a mooch around for some debris, my dog needs a new kennel. will get some photos if I spot and considerable streams.

codprawn

18 January 2008, 23:08

Latest Notice - remember it is your LEGAL duty!!! So if you see ANY piece of timber you think may be from the ship you must report it..............

"The Maritime and Coastguard Agency have this morning issued guidelines to members of the public who find timber on the coastline resulting from the Ice Prince incident.

All timber sighted must be reported to Solent Coastguard by telephoning:

02392 559021
or
02392 559022

Under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 it is both an offence to conceal or keep possession of such cargo, or to fail to report the cargo.
Police have been authorised by Receiver of Wreck to act on her behalf, and people removing cargo from the beach could be committing an offence for which they could face arrest and a fine of up to £2,500.
Contractors are in place to remove the timber from the beaches, and therefore if anyone should sight cargo washing ashore they are advised to telephone the above numbers and contractors will be on scene to initiate its recovery."

Wish I lived in the area - the phone wouldn't stop.............

Polwart

18 January 2008, 23:19

Latest Notice - remember it is your LEGAL duty!!! So if you see ANY piece of timber you think may be from the ship you must report it..............

Haverner has already posted this with more information - in a helpful post that john has stickied. Cod - why did you emphasise LEGAL and ANY in caps? As I understand it SOLAS does require all vessels to report potential hazards so whats the problem? Stop winging and let the MCA and the appointed contractors get on with the task of alerting shipping to and clearing the hazard from the sea and beaches.

ian parkes

18 January 2008, 23:33

codprawn

19 January 2008, 02:50

Haverner has already posted this with more information - in a helpful post that john has stickied. Cod - why did you emphasise LEGAL and ANY in caps? As I understand it SOLAS does require all vessels to report potential hazards so whats the problem? Stop winging and let the MCA and the appointed contractors get on with the task of alerting shipping to and clearing the hazard from the sea and beaches.

It's not the fact it's a hazard - it's the authorities trying to stamp their authority on the whole thing. They would rather the stuff rot or be swept around the seas than people get something for nothing. For some reason the government hates it when people get something for free - maybe it's cos it's not taxed..........

I would far rather see local people benefit from this loss than have to stump up yet more taxes to clean it all up!!!

Limey Linda

19 January 2008, 03:25

I would far rather see local people benefit from this loss than have to stump up yet more taxes to clean it all up!!!

Well done Codders, first sensible thing you have posted this year. :)

blinddog

19 January 2008, 09:00

If anybody took some of the wood.
How do you prove the wood was from the ship,
OK it may be of the type of wood but unless it has a serial number on it, hard to prove,
Remember it has to proved beyond all reasonable dought under UK law,

Polwart

19 January 2008, 09:56

I would far rather see local people benefit from this loss than have to stump up yet more taxes to clean it all up!!!
we will not be paying. the cost of clear up is met by the ship owners/insurers.

SeaSkills

19 January 2008, 10:25

we will not be paying. the cost of clear up is met by the ship owners/insurers.

Hmmm, maybe. But if they've insured with the same company as I do, I'll bet my premiums will be moving the wrong way again

Polwart

19 January 2008, 12:33

Hmmm, maybe. But if they've insured with the same company as I do, I'll bet my premiums will be moving the wrong way again
I suspect the cost of the "clear up" will be lost in the noise of the insurance claim compared to the cost of the loss of the vessel and the cargo.

havener

19 January 2008, 15:12

1. This has nothing to do with the government. The timber is now the property of the insurers, as the vessel has been deemed to be a total constructive loss, as would your car be had that been stolen / lost and recovered. Would you be happy for insurance premiums to rocket is no lost goods were recovered?

2. The contractors have been appointed to collect the timber for one simple reason - to ask the public to do it would be dangerous, and few people are equipped for handling large baulks of timber either at sea or on the coastline.

3. It is, I suspect, highly unlikely that you would be asked to return, or probably pay for, any timber you recovered. It would have little or no economic value for resale. I doubt whether the tax on the miniscule amount someone could recover would be an issue.

4. Ships are rarely insured with a single insurer. There will be a lead insurer, with the rest spread across Lloyds open market or whichever country the vessel is insured with. Compared to the vessel loss, in this case the cargo loss will be a tiny percentage. The rescue tug operation won't have been cheap either.... This will affect the owners next insurance bill, and shipping insurance in general - not your car policy (or if it does, by about 1p).

They would rather the stuff rot or be swept around the seas

And damage / sink other vessels? B*llocks.

I dislike most governments as much as anyone else - and trust me, the French one ain't much better - but this is not about government. It is about safely recovering dangerous objects at sea, and ensuring that further vessels are not injured by it.

codprawn

19 January 2008, 15:22

Pete7

19 January 2008, 16:25

They aren't even breaking the law if they declare what they find. Quite :thumbs: might be fun to recover one small plank, take it home and inform the Receiver. They can then come and collect it, having paid your salvage claim :)

Pete

havener

19 January 2008, 22:48

The quote from the MCA is

"We are determined not to have a repeat of the Napoli."

What harm are these people doing? Yes they may be putting their lives in danger but that is their CHOICE - or used to be when you were allowed to think for yourself!!!

They aren't even breaking the law if they declare what they find.

EXACTLY! IF they declare what they find. Declarations from the Napoli were a very tiny percentage of what is known to have come ashore and been taken. To put it bluntly, it was stolen.

The Napoli was different in that the cargo was high value, in many cases only slightly devalued by its condition, and easy to "recover" (nick). I'd be interested to know if someone taking a new BMW motorcycle, owned at the time by BMW as the insurers had not yet settled, and failing to report this, doesn't fit a definition of harm, what does?

Perhaps I should come round and pinch the car from your drive on the grounds I found it there?

Polwart

19 January 2008, 23:32

Quite :thumbs: might be fun to recover one small plank, take it home and inform the Receiver. They can then come and collect it, having paid your salvage claim :)
thats not my understanding of the process. you would be required to deliver the wreck to the reciever (if so requested) and she would then decide what salvage (if any) you were entitled to.

As I understand it the reciever (or her agents) is entitled to require that wreck is delivered to or handed over to her or her agents including using force to achieve that. She has apppointed the local police as her agents. therefore they may be able to prevent you from removing wreck from beaches etc.

Wrongfully carrying away wreck is an offence (which I think is different from the offence of conceeling (failing to declare) wreck). Likewise hindering or impeding the recovery of wreck is an offence - presumably that includes an individual taking it on themselves to recover wreck where a salvor has been contracted.

those wishing to get a more definitive statement of the law than cod's They aren't even breaking the law if they declare what they find. might want to read the merchant shipping act (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1995/Ukpga_19950021_en_1.htm)

ian parkes

19 January 2008, 23:38

I just wish they would do as much to prevent people leaving their rubbish on the beaches .

Pick up a piece of driftwood and they threaten to nail you .

Leave a bag of rubbish dirty nappies and dog turds etc on the beach and nothing is done .

I love this country :mad:

codprawn

20 January 2008, 01:49

There were no prosecutions over the removing of the cargo of the Napoli

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/26/napoli126.xml

"At present, we do not have any plans for prosecutions in relation to Napoli recoveries."

Then again who knows with this government.............