CPV350 integrated GPS, VHF and hailer CPV350 integrated GPS, VHF and hailer

Scrumdown
20 June 2007, 12:09
Anybody had any experience of this CPV350 integrated GPS, VHF and hailer CPV350 integrated GPS, VHF and hailer. Seems to be ideal for a small console etc

Jon Brooks
20 June 2007, 13:06
Anybody had any experience of this CPV350 integrated GPS, VHF and hailer CPV350 integrated GPS, VHF and hailer. Seems to be ideal for a small console etc


Its a great bit of kit.
At this time it is not approved for UK/EU use.
Will not get through CE approval.

Best regards

Scrumdown
20 June 2007, 13:14
I've seen one at £342!! plus carriage - it really looks the business - shame it wont be available here:(



The CPV350 is a WAAS GPS chartplotter with a 25Watt VHF and 30W loud hailer capable of listen-back, fog signaling, bells and whistles integrated into one box. The WideScreen high-resolution 800X480, sunlight viewable display can be customized to show chart and fish finder (optional) in full page or a spilt screen. Rotary knobs make features easy to access along with the unique ergonomically designed handgrip for sure control.
The CPV350 is supplied with a front panel microphone. The front panel keys are backlit and designed around a die cast chassis for superior durability and performance. Dedicated MARK, ROUTE and INFO keys allow for fumble free operation.

TFT 256 Color 7-Inch Display (Screen Resolution: 800 x 480)

There is no question about it. With a big, bold color display there is no mistaking the information. It can easily be seen in locations where the Chart Plotter cannot be mounted directly in front of you.

C-Map NT+ or MAX Compatible

C-MAP is the best cartography available. The CPV350 comes pre-loaded with detailed cartography down to the 2NM scale. If you require greater detail, C-MAP offers many different chart configurations to suit your needs.

1000/Routes: 20 (Max 50 waypoints each)

Beauty and brains! Not only does the CPV350 boast a beautiful display, it can also be loaded with enough Waypoints and Marks to guarantee you will always arrive at you destination.

Commercial Grade ITU Class D DSC VHF

With a built in dedicated DSC receiver you won't miss a single call. Now you can receive on the VHF and still simultaneously receive DSC calls.

DSC Polling

STANDARD HORIZON has pioneered the capability to poll (request and send) the GPS location of another vessel. This is a great feature for anyone wanting to know the position of anther vessel for example you buddy that is catching fish, or finding the location of a person you are cruising with.

Capable of Connecting Optional Second Station Remote Microphones

Connect up to two optional second station Microphones and now you have three fully functioning VHF stations with off of one VHF antenna. All of the features of the main radio can now be accessed through the RAM+. Connect the VH-310 and have a full functioning Class D second station, fully equipped with an alphanumeric keypad in a Telephone style handset.

Dual Watch, Tri-watch scanning, NOAA WX alert and more

The CPV350 can be programmed to scan any number or combination of channels with or without priority channel. The CPV350 also can be set to Dual Watch and Tri-watch. The CPV350 has the capability to warn you of impeding severe weather by audibly alerting you to switch to the active weather channel. Want to monitor more than one channel? Changing channels and operating the DSC functions is made easy with the oversized channel selector knob and alpha-numeric display.

30 W Loud Hailer with Listen Back and 4 Fog Horns, Bells & Whistles

When having a VHF/chart plotter is not enough, connect one of the optional PA horns to the CPV350 and you now have a full functioning Loud Hailer complete with 4 fog signals, bells, whistles, horns, and sirens.

Fish finder option

The optional FF520 Fish Finder brings high-end fish finding capability to CPV350 WAAS GPS Chart plotter making it an ideal choice for casual or professional anglers alike. The FF520 Dual Frequency (50 and 200kHz) Black Box Fish Finder's advanced filtering eliminates unwanted noise and sharpens return echoes for enhanced separation and detection. Transducer ID™ allows the FF520 to query the transducer (sold separately) to determine its perfromance characteristics. Power output, frequency, beam pattern and other unique transducer characteristics are sent to the fish finder. this data allows the fish finder to fine tune itself to match the transducer which optimizes overall system performance. No matter what the conditions, you will be able to fine tune your fishing rather than the fish finder. Note: Transducer ID™ is a registered trademark of AIRMAR Technology Corporation, Milford.

3 Year Warranty

The CPV350 was designed from the ground up to take the punishment of the marine environment and is backed by a 3 year waterproof warranty!"

http://wildblueboating.com/library/2StandardHorizonCPV350.jpg

Cookee
20 June 2007, 13:48
Will not get through CE approval.


:bang: :bang: :bang:

Jon Brooks
20 June 2007, 14:02
Yeah I know John.
Am as frustrated as you about it!

jwalker
20 June 2007, 14:03
Jon, do you know what the issue is?

Sarah G
20 June 2007, 20:53
Surely this is a total solution - it there an alternative product? Can we buy it in the States and use it over here? I want one!

MikeCC
21 June 2007, 07:36
Surely this is a total solution - it there an alternative product? Can we buy it in the States and use it over here? I want one! Physically, yes. Legally, no! Probably no UK warranty support either - I'm sure Jon can confirm on that.

MarkWildey
21 June 2007, 08:15
Dragged this off another site..

spoke to Standard Horizon at the boat show and it will now NOT be released in the UK.Something to do with emmisions so will not be granted a CE mark!.......Amazing how something can be perfectly ok for any other country in the world but not the UK.

If I was in the market for a GPS(etc), and it supported international VHF channels I'd order it from the US.

Mark

Scrumdown
21 June 2007, 08:44
what have I started!!! :cool: if they do arrive in the UK I'll offer to demo a set :D going to get a cp180i instead for the moment

Jon Brooks
21 June 2007, 08:53
Ok lets see if I can cover all the points.

Yes you could by in the US and fit to your boat here.
You would be breaking the law if you did.

The unit is not approved in the UK/EU.
This is down to the CE or emmisions testing.
We are told it will not pass.

Ok the tough bit........
If you buy and fit to your boat and are caught you would be liable for a fine of approx £5000, they will take the unit and could take the baot also.

Warranty..... as a gobal company we would have to look at this on a case by case basis.

We here in the UK would love to be able to sell it.
Is is a great idea.
The sample we have here works very well.

Maybe the next one will have CE, fingers crossed.

Sarah G
21 June 2007, 08:58
what have I started!!! :cool: if they do arrive in the UK I'll offer to demo a set :D going to get a cp180i instead for the moment

Nice looking unit. I would try to get it from the States, the price there was $395 from http://www.marine-electronics-unlimited.com/Standard+Horizon+CP180i.html and yet is is about £400. How ripped off are we in this country?

MarkWildey
21 June 2007, 09:07
Sarah

Just out of interest it shows as $909 ( http://www.marine-electronics-unlimited.com/Standard+Horizon+CPV350.html ), which is £456 and then add import duty, VAT.

Even so it looks a nice unit and cheap if you compare it to the separate units.

Cheers

Mark

Sarah G
21 June 2007, 09:12
Hi Jon

I promise not to buy or fit the CPV350 then.

I can't remember all the codes on our kit - I'll post those later but I think I am coming to the conclusion that, I don't really understand but I think I need:-

1) a 'tom tom' type display GPS (Chartplotter?) - currently have a Furuno GPS;
2) a Digital VHF radio - currently have an Icom with DSC capabilities but don't really understand;
3) a depth sounder (not really a fish finder unless otherwise convinced).

Is there an affordable reliable solution?

Sarah G
21 June 2007, 09:14
Sarah

Just out of interest it shows as $909 ( http://www.marine-electronics-unlimited.com/Standard+Horizon+CPV350.html ), which is £456 and then add import duty, VAT.

Even so it looks a nice unit and cheap if you compare it to the separate units.

Cheers

Mark

Hi Mark

When I clicked on Add to Basket the price reduced by 51% to $394. Import Duty - don't swear ;o)

Sarah

Scrumdown
21 June 2007, 10:52
http://www.enrrens.com/gps/standard-horizon/standard-horizon-cpv-350c-gps/vhf/fishfinder-pkg/prod_6.html

:D

Sarah G
21 June 2007, 10:54
http://www.enrrens.com/gps/standard-horizon/standard-horizon-cpv-350c-gps/vhf/fishfinder-pkg/prod_6.html

:D

Very good!

Jon Brooks
21 June 2007, 11:31
Hi Jon

I promise not to buy or fit the CPV350 then.

I can't remember all the codes on our kit - I'll post those later but I think I am coming to the conclusion that, I don't really understand but I think I need:-

1) a 'tom tom' type display GPS (Chartplotter?) - currently have a Furuno GPS;
2) a Digital VHF radio - currently have an Icom with DSC capabilities but don't really understand;
3) a depth sounder (not really a fish finder unless otherwise convinced).

Is there an affordable reliable solution?

Ok Sarah,

If you can post the models (codes) later it might give me an idea of what you can or cant do with the existing kit.

Cheers

Sarah G
21 June 2007, 11:47
Ok Sarah,

If you can post the models (codes) later it might give me an idea of what you can or cant do with the existing kit.

Cheers

Thanks Jon - prob can't do ;o)

Sarah G
21 June 2007, 21:11
Ok Sarah,

If you can post the models (codes) later it might give me an idea of what you can or cant do with the existing kit.

Cheers

OK Jon

Furuno GP30 GPS which is on a bracket;
Icom IC-59Euro which is flush mounted;

Hope this is enough information.

Many thanks

Sarah ;)

wavelength
22 June 2007, 08:07
http://www.enrrens.com/gps/standard-...kg/prod_6.html

interesting site for various things :) - anyone actually bought anything from them ?

Sarah G
22 June 2007, 09:15
interesting site for various things :) - anyone actually bought anything from them ?

They do have testimonials from 'customers'. I would have a number of concerns:-
1) cost of postage
2) you would have to know the exact model number otherwise you might run the risk of buying a product that is not legal over here i.e. the CPV350.

However, when looking at the CP180i (excluding P&P) it is almost £100 cheaper than any internet site at £201.81. You could - if they are reputable, upgrade to the CP300 GPS for less than the cost of the CP180i and get a Fishfinder as part of the package.

Jon Brooks
22 June 2007, 09:38
OK Jon

Furuno GP30 GPS which is on a bracket;
Icom IC-59Euro which is flush mounted;

Hope this is enough information.

Many thanks

Sarah ;)

M59 was one of the worlds first DSC radio's.
When made it could have a DSC PCB added inside the radio.
Sad to say this was for class F DSC and NOT class D.
Whilst this was a great radio in its time, many still out there in use, it cannot be used for DSC in UK/EU.
Be worth looking to replace this, can fetch a good price on E-bay.
Clubs like this unit for use as a base radio.

I understand the GPS is just a GPS and nothing more.
A very good GPS though.
Fine if you want just a Lat/Long type read out that can feed other bits of kit.

Hope that helps a bit.

Sarah G
22 June 2007, 09:41
M59 was one of the worlds first DSC radio's.
When made it could have a DSC PCB added inside the radio.
Sad to say this was for class F DSC and NOT class D.
Whilst this was a great radio in its time, many still out there in use, it cannot be used for DSC in UK/EU.
Be worth looking to replace this, can fetch a good price on E-bay.
Clubs like this unit for use as a base radio.

I understand the GPS is just a GPS and nothing more.
A very good GPS though.
Fine if you want just a Lat/Long type read out that can feed other bits of kit.

Hope that helps a bit.

Thanks Jon. So if I were to replace what we have, what do you recommend bearing in mind I still need a depth sounder?

Sarah :]

Jon Brooks
22 June 2007, 10:32
Well Sarah I am a tad bias!

Garmin make some craking kit and have always thought highly of it.

I have fitted Standard Horizon to the new boat :thumbs:
Pricing is god as is the kit, many one here will back that.

My fav at the the mo has to be the CP-300.
Having said that is space is an issue then the CP-180 is as good.

Both can be fitted with the optional FF520 for depth.

Hope that helps a bit

jwalker
22 June 2007, 10:39
I understand the GPS is just a GPS and nothing more.
A very good GPS though.
Fine if you want just a Lat/Long type read out that can feed other bits of kit. Don't discard it so quickly. It has navigation pages and stores waypoints and routes. At the easy level, you can tell it to go to your waypoint. If you follow the CDI you should arrive there. It's not a plotter but that doesn't mean it won't get you home. It has nice big text on the screen too.

Cookee
22 June 2007, 12:39
Jon - I can't find the max speed reading on our GPS - we have the CP181i?

Sarah G
22 June 2007, 14:31
Well Sarah I am a tad bias!

Garmin make some craking kit and have always thought highly of it.

I have fitted Standard Horizon to the new boat :thumbs:
Pricing is god as is the kit, many one here will back that.

My fav at the the mo has to be the CP-300.
Having said that is space is an issue then the CP-180 is as good.

Both can be fitted with the optional FF520 for depth.

Hope that helps a bit

Nothing wrong with bias!

I like the CP300. Is there much difference between the CP180 and the CP180i. I'm not sure if our boat has an external antenna already (or whether that is for the radio) - if not would it make sense going for an internal arial?

Sarah G
22 June 2007, 14:33
Don't discard it so quickly. It has navigation pages and stores waypoints and routes. At the easy level, you can tell it to go to your waypoint. If you follow the CDI you should arrive there. It's not a plotter but that doesn't mean it won't get you home. It has nice big text on the screen too.

Hi JW

I'm not discarding it, it is just that we need a depth sounder and I don't want to go and buy something and then find it isn't compatible or that the cost could have been saved going for another option. I suppose as a novice I understand the Tom Tom type approach rather than Long and Lat - Not that that isn't important as well.

Sarah G
22 June 2007, 15:07
interesting site for various things :) - anyone actually bought anything from them ?

Bad news, I'm afraid - you have to buy a minimum of 5 units (can be a mixed order) but of 5 things :(

Jon Brooks
22 June 2007, 21:36
Nothing wrong with bias!

I like the CP300. Is there much difference between the CP180 and the CP180i. I'm not sure if our boat has an external antenna already (or whether that is for the radio) - if not would it make sense going for an internal arial?

JW

Was not suggesting Sarah got shot of the GP30.

Sarah

CP-180 and CP-180i are the same.
The "i" denotes built in antenna, ideal for bracket mounting on a consol.
If your going to flush mount then you need the CP-180 with an external antenna.
The CP-300 come in both versions also

GPS antenna will look a bit like a mushroom, VHF antenna is stick or twig like.
Hence the old CB types used to call them twigs!
Am taking my anorak off now :D

Jon Brooks
22 June 2007, 21:39
Jon - I can't find the max speed reading on our GPS - we have the CP181i?

Max speed you have done? or you want to display speed?

Sarah G
23 June 2007, 09:29
JW

Was not suggesting Sarah got shot of the GP30.

Sarah

CP-180 and CP-180i are the same.
The "i" denotes built in antenna, ideal for bracket mounting on a consol.
If your going to flush mount then you need the CP-180 with an external antenna.
The CP-300 come in both versions also

GPS antenna will look a bit like a mushroom, VHF antenna is stick or twig like.
Hence the old CB types used to call them twigs!
Am taking my anorak off now :D

Thanks for this. I'll have a look on Monday when we get the boat (hopefully).

Sarah G
27 June 2007, 10:50
OK - I have a mushroom and a stick - how is that for technical speak. I think first things first - I need a depth sounder/fishfinder.

I think that we will go with the 160c Garmin. I know that the recommendation was with the 140 but Pat (the other half) reckons that colour is clearer than black and white.

Need to get the compass - Plastimo 90.

bedajim
27 June 2007, 11:24
OK - I have a mushroom and a stick - how is that for technical speak. I think first things first - I need a depth sounder/fishfinder.

I think that we will go with the 160c Garmin. I know that the recommendation was with the 140 but Pat (the other half) reckons that colour is clearer than black and white.

Need to get the compass - Plastimo 90.

Isn't the 160c mainly for fresh water?

I'd go for a garmin 178c (thats gps, elec charts and depth + fish finder sorted)and link it to a radio. That covers most of it I think then add a 270E hand held radio for safety

But thats just me;)

Nos4r2
27 June 2007, 18:12
Isn't the 160c mainly for fresh water?

I'd go for a garmin 178c (thats gps, elec charts and depth + fish finder sorted)and link it to a radio. That covers most of it I think then add a 270E hand held radio for safety

But thats just me;)

I would too-I've got the 178 b&W linked to an Icom and the only things I'd change is making the GPS a bit more intuitive on the more complicated settings and I'd go for colour.

Biggles
27 June 2007, 18:46
Sarah,

I have the 178 c. In my opinion look at a different spec unit. One that receives info from the radio and will plot your friends position. Not too sure which one I would recomend as I haven't used such a GPS but that is what I would be looking for. In my opinion its the only thing the 178 C is missing.

Sunlight is a killer on my 178 c.

I have also found the garmin to have a much better refresh/update rate of the map movement than the navman units I have seen.

Never easy I know buying electronic kit. The 178c is good but not perfect and as with everything price can often be the leading factor on purchasing.

Sarah G
27 June 2007, 20:24
Sarah,

I have the 178 c. In my opinion look at a different spec unit. One that receives info from the radio and will plot your friends position. Not too sure which one I would recomend as I haven't used such a GPS but that is what I would be looking for. In my opinion its the only thing the 178 C is missing.

Sunlight is a killer on my 178 c.

I have also found the garmin to have a much better refresh/update rate of the map movement than the navman units I have seen.

Never easy I know buying electronic kit. The 178c is good but not perfect and as with everything price can often be the leading factor on purchasing.

I suppose that my worry is having more than one thing on a piece of electrical equipment. If I keep the depth sounder/fish finder separately, if the GPS fails, I have a back-up, I don't know perhaps you are more likely to lose everything rather than just one element.

I thought that the 160 c would do as the fish finder and then have - later when the bank manager has forgiven me - go something like the Standard Horizon CP180 as the GPS chartplotter. But I like the idea of tracking your friends - it has a 'we know where you are' element - I like that! =)

Biggles
27 June 2007, 20:37
As I said I haven't done the tracking bit. But you will need a DSC radio and a Chartplotter that will show DSC Position Polling Requests.

One for the future for me but not just now.

This one might do it. But don't quote me before you spend your pennies.

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=148&pID=8053

Sarah G
27 June 2007, 20:39
As I said I haven't done the tracking bit. But you will need a DSC radio and a Chartplotter that will show DSC Position Polling Requests.

One for the future for me but not just now.

This one might do it. But don't quote me before you spend your pennies.

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=148&pID=8053

Good plan. Do the Garmin or Standard Horizon have maps on them? I see that they all quote their maps but does the unit come with a map already installed and if so are this rubbish which is why you have to pay a load more cash for the better maps. Then do you have to pay loads to have them updated - like TomTom?

Biggles
27 June 2007, 20:44
Good plan. Do the Garmin or Standard Horizon have maps on them? I see that they all quote their maps but does the unit come with a map already installed and if so are this rubbish which is why you have to pay a load more cash for the better maps. Then do you have to pay loads to have them updated - like TomTom?

You've hit the nail on the head.

You'll need to buy maps on a Data Card that will on average cost at least another hundred quid and only cover selected areas.

I suppose these companies are in business to make money at the end of the day. And without their R and D we wouldn't have these gadgets. In most cases you seem to get a much better system with marine Chart plotters than your average car GPS. IMHO.

Sarah G
27 June 2007, 20:48
You've hit the nail on the head.

You'll need to buy maps on a Data Card that will on average cost at least another hundred quid and only cover selected areas.

I suppose these companies are in business to make money at the end of the day. And without their R and D we wouldn't have these gadgets. In most cases you seem to get a much better system with marine Chart plotters than your average car GPS. IMHO.

I'm in the wrong business!

Jon Brooks
28 June 2007, 00:44
Garmin use their own "Blue charts" not sure on cost but not cheap.

Standard use C-Map charts.

There is a special running at the mo that when you buy a Standard Horizon plotter you can get the Mega Wide UK and Ireland chart for about £125 (normal SRP is about £265)
This covers all of the UK, ROI and a big chunks of Western Europe.
A local chart may cost you £80 up!!

The Icom M421 has NMEA (GPS data) in only.
The Standard GX-1500 has NMEA in and out.
This mean when used with a SH plotter or a Garmin it will plot in comming DSC Distress calls on the plotter and also the response to DSC "position requests" the Icom M421 can't do this.
Only the M505 and M603 can do this.
GX-1500 has a bigger display than the M421, also comes with the flush mount kit and a dust cover, again the M421 don't.
Also has a big knobb for channel change again the M421 don't.

Hope that helps

Biggles
28 June 2007, 00:57
So has Jon flogged you a radio yet ?

Not sure if they are the best in the real world. But price and on paper spec seems okay.

My mates Standard HX 270 E struggles to talk over any distance at times but its ceratinly durable. And waterproof. And for £80 what its more than you can expect.

Nos4r2
28 June 2007, 01:06
I did find this guy on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.ca/GARMIN-MEU001R-BLUECHART-ENGLISH-CHANNEL_W0QQitemZ120090914151QQihZ002QQcategoryZ58 047QQcmdZViewItem) that's selling the larger UK bluecharts for significantly less than others once you convert the $ to £.

Sarah G
28 June 2007, 09:17
Hope that helps

Thanks Jon.

I think I'm coming around the the following:-

Standard Horizon GX1500 Radio
Standard Horizon CP180 with external ariel - not sure if I need the wide maps as will probably only be around the solent, IoW, Chichester but Jon you are the Guru :bow:
Think Garmin 160c Fishfinder although know you can get the FF520 integrated with chart plotter but concerned that all reliance is on one product. Also, if I get the Garmin 160c now, I can save up for the radio and chart plotter in one go later as the current radio and GPS does actually work and my bank manager may throw the toys out of the pram if I spend any more money at the moment :(

Jon how about quoting in a PM although not sure I can really justify it at the moment. :(

Jon Brooks
28 June 2007, 14:34
I have to say the FF520 route is NOT the most cost effective way to do it.
Your route would be sound.

And thank you, I prefer Guru to Love Machine any day!!!!:D
Always happy to help, if I can.

Sarah we do not offer direct sales but please contact Jimbo, Malthouse and the other trade members here that are SH dealers and am sure they will be happy to sort you a quote......wont you lads?

Could always sell hubby to finance you purchases :D

Sarah G
28 June 2007, 18:32
Could always sell hubby to finance you purchases :D

You know I asked him but he felt this was a little excessive - where's the commitment I ask you? One little kidney and it would be sorted :D