Best waterproof connectors

codprawn
23 October 2006, 18:46
Being lazy and wanting a quick fix I need to connect my new bilge pump - it's exactly the same as the old one. I can't find where the wires join so I was thinking of just snipping the wires in the transom well and splicing on the new ones. What is the best way to make these waterproof? Heatshrink or bullet connectors(yuk) or what?

I will do a proper job when the boat is out of the water - the way the weather is here I prob only have about 1/2 an hour without getting soaked to do it in.

bedajim
23 October 2006, 18:59
try a through connecter crimp and some of this
http://www.caswelleurope.co.uk/plastidip.htm

You can always wrap it in self amalgamating tape
not sure on the spelling

James

codprawn
23 October 2006, 19:03
I did think of both those - but haven't got any - will have to order some anyway - always useful.

fjarvis
23 October 2006, 19:19
Hi Codprawn,

I used a cone shaped connector, you twist the wires together and push then in the cone then crimp it. The cone is made of plastic so the outer is waterproof and after i'd crimped it i filled the top of the cone with silicone.

Cheers,
Fraser

jwalker
23 October 2006, 20:09
Codders, get a length of silicon tube used for fuel line on models. Slide a length about 25-30mm onto the cable where it is to be joined. It's very grippy, you'll need to work it along the cable. Tin both cable ends to be joined with solder. Snip them off at 45º and about 2mm long. Re-tin one of them with a wee blob of solder. Bring the 45º ends together and flow the blob of solder to make the join. Wait until it cools and then slide the silicon tube over the joint to make the seal. Totally watertight.

jyasaki
23 October 2006, 20:50
A couple of these http://www.go2marine.com/product.do?no=16129F should do the trick. I usually overcoat with adhesive lined shrink tubing, just to be sure.

jky

codprawn
23 October 2006, 21:27
As I happen to have some silicone tubing handy I will do that for now - great idea!!! I will try to get some of the Adhesive Lined Heat Shrink for when I do it later - thanks all.

Ribshop
24 October 2006, 08:25
This may be of use

http://www.rib-shop.com/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=11&strPageHistory=cat

Cookee
24 October 2006, 08:41
We use solder and glue lined heatshrink - 2 layers for anything that may be submerged in regular use.

Simon B
24 October 2006, 16:55
Codders,

Try Farnell catalogue and get some Raychem crimps, they are a crimp that can be heatshrunk on (also has hotmelt glue inside) then slip some glue lined heat shrink over this or alternatively PM me with your address and Ill send you what you need (please include sizes i.e the conductor and the dia of insulation)

Reason being it isnt cheap and they like you to buy lots!

Neil R
25 October 2006, 11:40
For small quantities of those adhesive-lined heat-shrinkable butt crimp connectors I'd suggest trying Halfords. My local one in Preston had them last time I looked.

codprawn
25 October 2006, 12:32
Thanks everyone - I found some suitable adehsive/heat shrink crimps in Maplin - didn't think to look in Halfords BUT I hate crimp connectors with a passion. Nothing beats a good soldered joint. I think I will try to get some normal glue lined heatshrink or failing that use normal heatshrink and run some superglue around the ends - it's capillary action will be ideal.

jyasaki
25 October 2006, 17:37
The ABYC has (I believe) actually gone away from recommending solder joints on wire.

Something about the way the solder wicks up the conductor; any movement thereafter is localized to where the wicking ends, with the result being broken conductors (reduced current capability at best, no conductivity at worst.) I can see how they'd reach that, even if I've never actually seen the failure mode.

They now specify crimp connections rather than solder joints.

jky

codprawn
25 October 2006, 22:13
It is true that a solder joint is quite brittle - in fact the most flexible cables are just bare braid as used on engine earthing straps. However I have never seen a crimp or a bullet connector that doesn't play up. One of my best mates used to be a really good auto electrician before he changed business - he swears by good old fashioned solder - and the massive old soldering iron he kept on a gas burner!!!

Cookee
26 October 2006, 09:04
We use tinned marine grade wire and the glue in the heatshrink sets quite stiff and supports the joint to prevent flexing ........... :thumbs:

codprawn
26 October 2006, 17:55
Just done it - a day without rain at last!!! Cable was already proper tinned stuff so used the trusty gas soldering iron - found some heatshrink I think was glue lined - ran superglue around the ends to make sure and then self amalgamating tape over the top to be safe. See what you mean Cookee about the heatshrink supporting the wires better - not much chance of fatigue I hope.

Why do bilges stink so much though??? Even on an open boat with gallons of fresh rain water over the last few weeks pumped out every few days and it still reeks!!!

Limey Linda
26 October 2006, 18:10
Hi Codders
Pour 1/2 teaspoon of bleach in your wet bilge. Trust me on this one I run a swimming pool repair/service business.

jwalker
26 October 2006, 18:20
Why do bilges stink so much though??? Even on an open boat with gallons of fresh rain water over the last few weeks pumped out every few days and it still reeks!!! It'll be the smell of the catalyst used in the resin. It is reckoned to take about 2 years before most of it has found its way out of the laminate.

codprawn
26 October 2006, 20:40
Hi Codders
Pour 1/2 teaspoon of bleach in your wet bilge. Trust me on this one I run a swimming pool repair/service business.

Yes I thought of this one myself - it would get rid of the slime a treat- bleach is amazing stuff!!!

codprawn
26 October 2006, 20:49
It'll be the smell of the catalyst used in the resin. It is reckoned to take about 2 years before most of it has found its way out of the laminate.

I don't think it's that - it's not a chemical smell - more like a sewer!!!

jwalker
26 October 2006, 22:45
OK. I'd forgotten your boat took a couple of years to complete...the smell will be gone by now.http://www.boatmad.com/forum/images/smilies/bolt.gif

stepheneyre
16 August 2008, 13:14
http://www.caswelleurope.co.uk/plastidip.htm

try this plastic dip paint for boat connectors

it looks good

thanks
stephen

Downhilldai
20 August 2008, 21:02
http://www.caswelleurope.co.uk/plastidip.htm

try this plastic dip paint for boat connectors

it looks good

thanks
stephen

Errr, as Bedajim recommended in post 2 :]
I think Codprawn fixed this a couple of years ago

tinker
21 August 2008, 15:44
And the link still doesn't work after 2 years

bedajim
26 August 2008, 07:23
And the link still doesn't work after 2 years

try the on button on your pc first :]