navman or raymarine chartplotter

I am in the market for a new chartplotter. I have been through 4 standard horizon cp 170 and cp 175. I will never buy a standard chartplotter again. The supplier has replaced it four times and will not supply another. moisture problems and the is now not getting a fix.

i have read all the previous threads regarding these plotters, but still need more input.

Navman 5605 or Raymarine c70

i already have c maps so there is a little savings there and i like the fuel flow meters from navman.

thoughts??

Hi,

I have a one year old Navman 5500. It keeps getting lost! When this happens it sulks and does nothing until it is turned off and back on again.

Last weekend we went round the IOW (Great day) and it now has gone US. Probably due to water ingress.

When it works I find it slow to redraw and a pritty poor unit so I vote for the Raymarine unit.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.

Charlie C

Raymarine Raymarine Raymarine!!!

Try to get the C80 if you can afford it - same unit but screen is a bit bigger. I am very happy with mine.

I looked at the Navman - they are a lot cheaper but I was put off with the problems people have said they get. Apparently condensation is one of the main probs. I have a Navman 3100 fuel computer - it's great but guess what - it's the only instrument that fogs up all the time!!!

I have linked the Raymarine DSM300 fishfinder into the C80 and it is the best fishfinder I have ever seen - really accurate and easy to use. I went for a trasom mount transducer though - if you can use through hull.

Neither... Go Garmin. If you've got the cash , 2100 series. Back up is good as well.

Jonathan

Neither... Go Garmin. If you've got the cash , 2100 series. Back up is good as well.

Jonathan

Raymarine backup is also excellent - very helpful when I needed advice after having bought grey imports unknowingly from those sharks at Cactus.

I have been playing around with the Garmin units as well - great bits of kit but prefer the Raymarine - only real way to tell is to use them both.

only real way to tell is to use them both. True. The question should really be "Raymarine or Garmin?" :D

True. The question should really be "Raymarine or Garmin?" :D

i would defo agree with that :)

Thanks for all the input looks like I will go for the raymarine.

I have Raymarine and Garmin side by side. They are both good but different. The Raymarine certainly has the edge on image quality but if I've not used the Raymarine for a while, I end up bu**ering about in the menu structure. The Garmin is, somehow, always straightforward.

If you have the opportunity, try them both.

I would like to echo jw's comments. Raymarine make nice kit, but I find I can't just use it; the menus etc are too messy with features hidden in weird places. Garmin kit on the other hand is intuitive to use and my personal preference. The Garmin 3000 series is excellent.

I have had both and we have E80 now
I like the Garmin but the raymarine while not as easy to use
just seams more solid if i had my choice again i would buy
the big Garmin a lot less cash and for what we do it would not be a bad choice.

unknowingly from those sharks at Cactus


Codders, who are these people??-- do you mean the supermarket in Luxembourg? - where they sell cheap petrol, fags, and booze??

Jonathan

I needed advice after having bought grey imports unknowingly from those sharks at Cactus.Are your Raymarine items CE marked? If I remember correctly, its a Ray 54E you have, but isn't the 54E a Europe only model?

Raymarine Raymarine Raymarine!!!

Try to get the C80 if you can afford it - same unit but screen is a bit bigger. I am very happy with mine.

I looked at the Navman - they are a lot cheaper but I was put off with the problems people have said they get. Apparently condensation is one of the main probs. I have a Navman 3100 fuel computer - it's great but guess what - it's the only instrument that fogs up all the time!!!

I have linked the Raymarine DSM300 fishfinder into the C80 and it is the best fishfinder I have ever seen - really accurate and easy to use. I went for a trasom mount transducer though - if you can use through hull.

Do you have the P66 transom transducer if so does it read at speed (20Knots+) ?
Have you had any bad readings relative to speed/sea conditions ?

Do you have the P66 transom transducer if so does it read at speed (20Knots+) ?
Have you had any bad readings relative to speed/sea conditions ?

Does it hell. Transom mount transducers are crap on the move. Wish I had gone for a through hull. Having said that at rest a transom mount is more accurate and has greater range. Yes I do have the P66.

Are your Raymarine items CE marked? If I remember correctly, its a Ray 54E you have, but isn't the 54E a Europe only model?

It is a 54E but it is set up for foreign markets. No UK private channels or anything else. Dealer or Raymarine only can add the channels - Cactus didn't bother!!! In fairness to Raymarine they have organised a localish dealer to sort it out FOC but I have to get the radio out and to them to do it.

unknowingly from those sharks at Cactus


Codders, who are these people??-- do you mean the supermarket in Luxembourg? - where they sell cheap petrol, fags, and booze??

Jonathan

Cactus electronics and their sidekicks MES - 2 of the biggest advertisers in the boating mags in the UK. Raymarine etc aren't happy with them but they do shift a lot of kit - box shifters and nothing more!!!

Garmin ever time. :thumbs:

Great kit, great service.
No matter what anyone says have found their back up to be second to none.

Have tried most of everything else and theirs is by far the easiest to use.
Like Nokia phone if you can fly one you can fly them all.

I would never consider anything else ever.

Have their in the car, on the boat and on the bike.

Best regards

Does it hell. Transom mount transducers are crap on the move. Wish I had gone for a through hull. Having said that at rest a transom mount is more accurate and has greater range. Yes I do have the P66.

I am considering Ray Marine A65 for the compactness and combined ability, I require 10-20knot read ability would I get it with the A65/through hull transponder?
From your quote of greater accuracy at rest with a transom mount is this something I would loose on thro/hull given the dual frequency benefits(If that makes sense)?(Wreck/Fish Requirements)
What other Products would fit these requirements + the non propriety issue(Garman/blue charts)

Cactus electronics and their sidekicks MES - 2 of the biggest advertisers in the boating mags in the UK. Raymarine etc aren't happy with them but they do shift a lot of kit - box shifters and nothing more!!!

To be fair it is the other way round, Mes is by far the bigger of the two out fits.

They have their main office in Bristol but also have an office in Poole.
They also own Ocean Install, as the name suggests they mainly carry out electronics installs all over the UK and EU.

Why pray are Raymarine not happy with them and can you back that up?
I ask because thats not the way I hear it!
Have you seen Raydirect?

Regards

Garmin ever time.

I echo Jon Brooks on this. Have the 2010c and this has been / is first class

- easy to use
- easy to see ( 10" screen)
- first class back up.

I will give you an example of the latter- when i purchase this ( in Belgium)-registered with garmin USA ( in fact you have,to as they give you two areas in mapsouce- and to get the unlock key you have to quote the serial number)
( I could be wrong on this??).

Anyway to cut it short-- out of the blue I received a mail from Garmin USA informing me that the firmware MUST be updated- and they would send me the update FOC. Low and behold 5 days later i received the module .Update was a sinch .. but that's what I call service. I think they want it back- but if anybody wants the update let me know.

jonathan

We are looking at a new radar for Windrider.

It came with a Raymarine and to be honest it is dire! IMHO
For something that is meant for the boating world it don't cope with it all that well!
No matter what we do to clear it the screen is always fogged!

Over the winter the plan is to remove it and replace with the Garmin Radar.
The main screen will be either the 3006 or the 3010. the second being the prefered choice.
I like the idea of having the radar overlaid on chart plotter with AIS on the at same.
Also, if we fit them, it can have two camera feeds! flash as!! :D

I find that the updaing of Garmin kit is a doddle too.
Keep an eye on thier site, download, plug in, upload and Roberts your dads brother!
Its so easy even I can do it! :D

Regards

We are looking at a new radar for Windrider.

It came with a Raymarine and to be honest it is dire! IMHO
For something that is meant for the boating world it don't cope with it all that well!
No matter what we do to clear it the screen is always fogged!

Over the winter the plan is to remove it and replace with the Garmin Radar.
The main screen will be either the 3006 or the 3010. the second being the prefered choice.
I like the idea of having the radar overlaid on chart plotter with AIS on the at same.
Also, if we fit them, it can have two camera feeds! flash as!! :D

I find that the updaing of Garmin kit is a doddle too.
Keep an eye on thier site, download, plug in, upload and Roberts your dads brother!
Its so easy even I can do it! :D

Regards


Yes but what Raymarine - how old? Mine has no hint of fogging at all - my mates Garmin does it occasionally - the Navman's do it all the time!!!

garmins all the way for me too, great product and superb product support

cant fault them :)

garmins all the way for me too, great product and superb product support

cant fault them :)

But Chris,with all due respect, you have no experience of anything other than that that you have chosen to put on your boat. Raymarine is serious kit. I've done offshore delivery trips on yachts fitted with Raymarine systems and they are superb. Garmin is good stuff but, as with most things in life, there are 'horses for courses'.

But Chris,with all due respect, you have no experience of anything other than that that you have chosen to put on your boat. Raymarine is serious kit. I've done offshore delivery trips on yachts fitted with Raymarine systems and they are superb. Garmin is good stuff but, as with most things in life, there are 'horses for courses'.

true i have no experience of raymarine, or lawrence equipment but did some research, spoke with others, does everything well, easy to use, when i lost a bit thru my own fault they sent me a whole replacement cradle foc, so everything that folks said about their customer care adds up for me. If the product was crap i would say so as never backwards in coming forwards. ;)

true i have no experience of raymarine, or lawrence equipment but did some research, spoke with others, does everything well, easy to use, when i lost a bit thru my own fault they sent me a whole replacement cradle foc, so everything that folks said about their customer care adds up for me. If the product was crap i would say so as never backwards in coming forwards. ;)

It must be good then. :rolleyes:

It must be good then. :rolleyes:
Im a happy pieman :)

its done 1000 mls and 65 hours and all ok so far

Im a happy pieman :)

its done 1000 mls and 65 hours and all ok so far
I would hope so!!!! That's 3 days use on an offshore yacht!

Garmin is good kit, but you have no comparisons. The fact that they replaced a bit and a other ribbers like them doesn't suddenly make them better than any other brand. I have Garmin and will replace it with Garmin but, I feel, that doesn't qualify me to 'advise' anyone as to what is 'best'. :)

I would hope so!!!! That's 3 days use on an offshore yacht!

Garmin is good kit, but you have no comparisons. The fact that they replaced a bit and a other ribbers like them doesn't suddenly make them better than any other brand. I have Garmin and will replace it with Garmin but, I feel, that doesn't qualify me to 'advise' anyone as to what is 'best'. :)

.....:)

Yes but what Raymarine - how old? Mine has no hint of fogging at all - my mates Garmin does it occasionally - the Navman's do it all the time!!!

We have two bit of Garmin kit on the boat and one Raymarine.
All the same age.
Only the Raymarine foggs.

Whilst I agree they make some good kit IMHO it is better for the enclosed boat.
Big sailing yachts or motor cruisers not the Rib/open boat market.

Regards

Time will tell but my Raymarine C80 seems pretty happy on my RIB - wether it's in a Force 8 or blazing hot sunshine.

Spoke to Raymarine this morning
cant get tide arrow to work
Cant get sog and cog bearing line to work
cant get depth to work in conjuction with ST60
lots more but its seams that when you look at the demo they dont tell you that you need to buy all the adds ons to make it all work.
In my case the add ons would come to more than the E80
So judge for your self
And by the way a Jan 2005 Hand book will not show you how to set up a platium chart ?

Spoke to Raymarine this morning
cant get tide arrow to work
Cant get sog and cog bearing line to work
cant get depth to work in conjuction with ST60
lots more but its seams that when you look at the demo they dont tell you that you need to buy all the adds ons to make it all work.
In my case the add ons would come to more than the E80
So judge for your self
And by the way a Jan 2005 Hand book will not show you how to set up a platium chart ?


What sort of addons are you talking about? You can usually download updates to flash it with.

With my C80 the only "addons" I needed were the fishfinder and the GPS module - all the multifunction devices are the same in that respect aren't they?

On an E80 if you want the Sog and Cog bearing lines to work you need the
Raymarine speedo if you want the tide arrow to work you need the depth sounder £600 or £700 extra, and speedo i dont the price. its a bit of a con to give you a Demo/simulater to play with when you switch it to real life it dont work.dont get me going about the Data bar.
Roy

............- wether it's in a Force 8 or ...........
Much experience of this then codders :eh:

Much experience of this then codders :eh:

Well considering I haven't had the boat long - have been out in some pretty bad conditions - the Loughor Estuary can be pretty demanding even when there isn't much wind. Many years ago 18 people drowned in one night in what was supposed to be calm seas!!!

http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlscfhs/shipw1.htm

Time will tell but my Raymarine C80 seems pretty happy on my RIB - wether it's in a Force 8 or blazing hot sunshine.

Goodness, you do take a lot of twaddle, had your Raymarine for 2 minutes and its the best thing in the world. :yawn:

Actually, this whole thread is nonsensical, I have Navman, Garmin and Raymarine - they all have their merits. If you happen to have a Garmin fitted, of course you are going to say its the best etc etc (same applies to any manufacturer) you really are not going to admit to buying a load of crap now are you. There are the exceptions.

Well considering I haven't had the boat long - have been out in some pretty bad conditions - the Loughor Estuary can be pretty demanding even when there isn't much wind. Many years ago 18 people drowned in one night in what was supposed to be calm seas!!!

http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlscfhs/shipw1.htm


hmmmmmmmmmmm

hopefully you have a slight advantage over the boats of 1868

or perhaps not:)

you really are not going to admit to buying a load of crap now are you. There are the exceptions. [/QUOTE]

YES i WILL ADMIT :sick: ......bought navman twice all failed twice now with garmin

you really are not going to admit to buying a load of crap now are you. There are the exceptions.

YES i WILL ADMIT :sick: ......bought navman twice all failed twice now with garmin [/QUOTE]

Too right I will say if I think something is a load of crap - especially if I bought it!!!

Goodness, you do take a lot of twaddle, had your Raymarine for 2 minutes and its the best thing in the world. :yawn:

Actually, this whole thread is nonsensical, I have Navman, Garmin and Raymarine - they all have their merits. If you happen to have a Garmin fitted, of course you are going to say its the best etc etc (same applies to any manufacturer) you really are not going to admit to buying a load of crap now are you. There are the exceptions.

Well it managed to get me as far from you as posiible so it must be pretty good!!!

I have used the Garmin Bluecharts a lot more than the Navionics software and would say they are pretty much equal.

To be honest if I didn't have a RIB I would stick with the Garmin software on a laptop coupled up to a wireless GPS unit. Really does work very well but I am not taking my laptop on a RIB!!!

Well it managed to get me as far from you as posiible so it must be pretty good!!!


Pity not far enough, Google Man!

......wether it's in a Force 8............
.... have been out in some pretty bad conditions .....
So, Have you been out in a force 8 :eh: Des

Pity not far enough, Google Man! Charles, you used to be a valued and respected member here, but recently it seems that all you do is snipe from the sidelines. If you don't think that's true then I'd suggest that you use the advanced search to review your posts over the last few months . . .

Some while ago you wrote very passionately (http://www.rib.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3439) about people who were "arrogant and insulting" and "spend their time on the forum trying to upset and denigrate other members". Seems a bit ironic to me.

John

Really does work very well but I am not taking my laptop on a RIB!!!

Codders, surprise, surprise - you aint ever heard of a "rugged" laptop??
Picked up one in Jan in the states for 1400$ - HP 3610/ Its the itronix gobook which sells at 4500$- and before being confind to bed- i put it in the rib and managed to submerge the rib. The hp got drowned and the driver nearly. Dried out , and the hp was as right as rain.

You being so well versed in IT... I am surprised you aint got one...By the way help me out , what do you mean by a wireless GPS?? 80211b???? or G??
or bluetooth- if you mean the one that works off the GSM or CDMA netwoks- its a fat lot of use if you are in the middle of the channel...

with my best regards and expecting a detailed reply...

Jonathan

Charles, you used to be a valued and respected member here, but recently it seems that all you do is snipe from the sidelines. If you don't think that's true then I'd suggest that you use the advanced search to review your posts over the last few months . . .

Some while ago you wrote very passionately (http://www.rib.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3439) about people who were "arrogant and insulting" and "spend their time on the forum trying to upset and denigrate other members". Seems a bit ironic to me.

John

I will stick to my guns and continue making a mockery of people who are 'armchair specialists', especially someone who has over 5000 posts; mainly regurgitated google searches and no actual experience. It is also very easy taking something completely out of context and applying it elsewhere John,you should know better! As far as your opinion re valued and respected member is concerned, I definitely won't lose any sleep over that.

I will stick to my guns and continue making a mockery of people who are 'armchair specialists'If you disagree with something that is posted, then by all means argue your point. Just going on a mission to make a mockery of someone is not particularly constructive though. You say that I'm quoting you out of context, but to me there are obvious parallels!I definitely won't lose any sleep over that. Nor will I, but I definitely preferred the old Charles :)

John

in my situation i'm considering an ebay Itronix GoBook with my garmin 60c.

my sib is a dingy for a 26' sailboat, i will keep the laptop down below in the sailboat and up load chart data to the 60c.

just my .0000002 cents :lol: