HOW ABOUT A TRIP TO........ Next Summer

I know that this may sound silly (my wife thinks so :eek:) but I had another (of my not so briliant) idea :]
How about a trip from the UK by road to Greece (we can meet up with others on the way if that's the case) and cruise around the Aegean for 15 days or so by the end of August/beg September?? (ARE YOU MAAAAD??? :eek: , he said and YESSSS I replied :D :cool: )
I have done this trip with a trailer 5 times now in the last 7 years and is fun (so I think so any way).
Where shall we go.
Well we start from Cape Sounion (Lavrion and its little picturedque Port is the village 5 kms away with a slip at no charge) and then explore the islands of Makronisos, Kea, Kithnos, Serifos, Sifnos, Paros, Naxos, Ios and (Thira) Santorini (the furthest be 90 miles away or there abouts).
If any one is interested and is a crazy as I am please let me know in the forum.
I'm going on a biz trip for 2-3 weeks on Sunday and will be staying in Greece for a few days.
So if you are interested I can look around and make some inquiries about faies, MOST IMPORTANT COSTS, berth availiability (although not upsolutely necessary. I never use a marina in Greece) and finally accomodation (some may want to stay in a tent on the beach!!).
Michael the Bat may have also to add something to this.

And finaly the
BEST PART
WE CAN ALL PLAN THIS TOGETHER

What do you say Guys??

:D

Sounds good - we usually trail to the southwest of France but this would really different! How long overland from Dover?

I'd love to. I was in a sailing regatta in Greece last year and would love to go back on a RIB, What a good idea

Hi folks

And now for the really mad bit

How long a trip would it be all the way by RIB :eek:
I know we could do the south coast in 1 day pushing it and 2 days in comfort but after than well ???.

Dont have a real idea but was just thinking if it would be possible in a resonable holiday time say three weeks including some crusing round Greece.

Just a though

Mad Gary :D =) :eek: :D

Alan

please can you give us some more info on how long it takes you to trailer to south of france, what boat / tow car

I would love to have use of my rib in somewhere hot

Manos

How long did it take you to trailer to greece !!!! again what boat / tow car

cheers

Brilliant idea, but think we would need to find a rib with an awning because its going to be hot, perhaps a camel boat then with a nice Optimax, hey Wavehumper?

Alan P would probably want to go by water afterall Monaco is only a 100 hours.

Manos seriously though whats the route through Euroland and how long does it take. How much for diesel and petrol ?

Pete

Originally posted by Garygee
And now for the really mad bit

How long a trip would it be all the way by RIB :eek:
:D =) :eek: :D

Di and I would be up for the whole run by RIB, Gary. Sounds good to me.

First of all I would like to thank you all for your responce (..and I thought I was the ONLY MAAAAD person here :V )

Reading all the comments I can reply as follows:

a. Trailling a RIB on Motor Ways in Europe one can do about 60 miles/hr no mre (is not safe). The trip involves crossing France and Italy (is the quickest route). The slow part is going over the Alpes (very nice senery) and via the Tunnel De FeJus to Torino. Then is all Motor Way to Ancona.
b. Time wise without russing it it will take 3 days to Ancona with two over night stops - usually I stop near St. Quentin (Ibis Hotel) and one at Chambery in Fance (Ibis Hotel) - NEVER stop in Italy. Finally 1 day crossing via ferry to Patras and 5 hrous drive to Cape Sounion where there is a small hotel (3 Star) with pool, air con, BAR!!! etc 100 mtrs from the beach where one can more his boat safely free of charge. Hotel prices for a 2-4 bed room Euro 40-50/night inc break fast (I think but we may get a discount if there too many of us)

NOW THE OTHER IDEA 'Sailing it to Greece'. It has crossed my mind too.
But I think is not going to be so enjoyable.

The reason, I use to have a sunseeker camargue (big boat 15mtrs) use to sail to Spain and Portugal. The crossings were never smooth and we always had one or the other problem.
I believe sailing from the UK to Greece coast by coast will be more than 3000 miles and at that time wind/weather is unpredictable. Also fuel costs will be astronomical and finally the hours you put on the engine and servicing etc. Don't forget this will be a hol NOT an endurance course and NOT a race either.
However, if people want to do it (and you think you are experienced enough to undertake it) go ahead but count me out. I'll meet you in Greece guys.

While I'll be in Greece I'll take some photos of the placeand some of the islands (closest being 3 miles away from the main land) so you can see what is like.
Also if you are all serious about this we need to get together at some point and start planning it.
Look at what are the requiremnts for boating in Greek waters, plan the journey and have an itinerary for visiting (sailing) to places in Greece.

Fuel (I have a Daihatsy Fourtack TDL) and need about between 5-6 tanks of 40 ltrs diesel one way towing the boat. (Next year hopefully will have a 5 ltr Ford Explorer- Daihatsu tooooo noisy).
Prices for diesel in France and Italy betyween Euro 0.78-0.88 cents/ltr on the motor ways (or about £0.45-0.50p/litre max). Uleaded has the same price as diesel in Europe.
Tolls with a 7 mtr trailer are not than much may be 100 euros each way excluding Tunnel de Frejus at 45 euros each way.
Ferry crossings it depends on the deal we can strike with the Fast Ferries Line (they are high speed cats) and also depends on what cabin one wants to have lux, 1st, deck?? etc. Ferry crossing about 11 hours Ancona to Patras and is VERY COMFORTABLE.
Euro tunnel with a 7 mtr trailer will have to check again. Also here we may be able to strike a deal if we are a few together.
Ibis hotels 55 euros per night 2ble room exc breakfast in France at any Ibis hotel (Ibis is VERY Basic but clean and comfortable).
Hotel accomodation in Cape SOunion I have mentioned. But also on the islands is on the same levels as in Cape Sounion.

The other angle Manos would be to fly out to Greece and charter a RIB out there. Is that something you could facilitate with your contacts?

That is another good idea. However, as far as I know there is only one compnay that provides that service 'MOSTRO' and is VERY expenssive.
I had a look last summer for a friend from the UK and for say a 5 mtr RIB (VERY BASIC with 100 ltrts fuel a 75 bhp Merc o/b) they wanted something like Euros 200-300/day.
I think they just hire RIBs to Motor Yachts rather than to individuals.

THIS IS FOR ALL
Please bare in mind that in Greece sailing with any type of craft is very controlled by the National Coast Guard. You need certain life saving equipment o/b depending how far from the shore one will be, life raft (not the type we know in the UK costs Euro 50), aux engine, 2 anchors, lots and lots of ropes life jackets, etc etc similar to what we carry o/b in the UK.
I will give you a list if any one is interested.

However, since I'll be in Greece in a few days I will make some inquiries. You never know something may have changed.
Will let you know.

If you want to have a look @ the places in Greece there are lots and lots of photos @ this link

http://www.mattbarrett.net/photos/

Like I said before. Sailing in Greece is a h.... of experience.

Remember the SOC when she sailed south of Crete ? It was one of the few times when the crew ENJOYED cruising.
I' m in. Maybe not for all the time, but I'll be there. :)

Sailing all the way to Greece though, is out of question. I know a guy who made this trip the other way around. Don't know the exact route he followed, but I'm sure that he used a river network to reach the notrh coast of France. Then he crossed the English chanell and participated to some races there, taking good places. Any way it's a VERY EXPENSIVE journey.

The idea of renting a rib in Greece is not so good either, as there aren't more than one or two renting companies and I'm sure that they charge multi figure numbers. Not mentioning that you won't have YOUR rib in the photos.:sick:

I sure don't have Manos experience on this, but I am confident that HIS way is the best.

If you make this trip DON'T FORGET to take many photos of the convoy crossing the Alpes.;)

Manos said that he will be in Greece for 2 or 3 weeks. LET'S HOPE :yawn: he has this Canon in his bags, OR I 'LL BE VERY DISAPOINTED. :(

this

Originally posted by Manos
Please bare in mind that in Greece sailing with any type of craft is very controlled by the National Coast GuardSurely this doesn't apply to visiting foreign flagged boats does it?

John

State rules do apply to all vessels (Greek Coast Guard is the equivalent of MSA-Marine safety Agency- in the UK and they also police the Greek teritorial waters. If one is found to be way out of line they can arrest and procecute). Fines are quite high if one does not obey the rules.
My RIB in Greece is under British flag/registry and is stipulated in shipping law (Carriage of Goods by Sea Act 1971) that a vessel being in a foreign country (i.e. not the country of its registry) should at all times obey and obide by the rules/laws and regulations of that country she is visiting.
In any case the rules for small craft in Greece are quite sensible and I don't think that they are any different to what any one who respects the sea environment wouldn't do.
i.e. we all have VHFs and VHF licence, have insurance, carry life jackets, have 2 anchors, have a floating anchor, have ropes, fly the sate flag, have an ICC, have an aux engine, have flares, have the boat papers with us etc etc.

The Greek coastguards have some pretty butch Ribs. If I remember correctly they are 8 metre Oceans with a couple of Merc 250's on the back.

If we are all going overland we may well get a sizeable discount if we booked our ferrytickets as one group.

The Greek Coastguard has now purchased some new 12 mtr Oceans with 2x500 bhp doing 70+ knots. Will postr photos next week sometime.
If we dcecide that we are definately going overland we definately ask for discounts from Ferries, Eurotunnel, hotels etc.
But let us see 1st who wants to come.
Any short of definate entries.
By the way we can discuss dates if Sept is not good for all. But in my opinion is the quite month, low season so cheap tickets, kids at school, most tourists have gone back to work, and also one finds completely empty beaches :V Weather is hot 30-35 dec C and wind may vary. Usually in the Aegean is Meltemi time however, last summer Aegean was like a pond with the occasional NNE meltemi winds. Last Sept was THE BEST MONTH.
Also June to mid July is good same situation as above with meltemi not in the force and calm seas.
Have a think about.

FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW: Meltemi is a NNE wind force 4 up to force 6+ (sea state wavy 0.50-1.50 mtrs max) that starts usually from beg/mid August and carries through beg/mid Sept.
Currently this patern has changed to Meltemi starting mid July and ending mid/end Aug. The wind picks up at about 9-10 am and dies down at about 5-6 pm.

Olympic Marina is located 2.5 kms from Lavrion and 2.5 kms from Sounion.
I have a meeting with the owners to discuss if we can get a discount if any of you who decide to visit Greece want to have the RIBS in the marina.
There are shops not only in the marina but also in the village of all shorts.
If you need repairs there in the village thare are a Yamaha and a Merc authorised repair work shops, 3 ship chandlers, fibre glass repair work shop, 3 pontoon reair work shops.
There also plenty of Tavernas, bars and you are only 60 kms away from Athens if you fancy a visit.
I have attached a photo of the marina. The island accross is Makronisos (about 3 miles away)

Lats summer I left my RIB in the marina for a few days until I had a mooring shorted out at the bay where I normaly more it.

KEA 17 SIFNOS 54 PATMOS 136
KYTHNOS 26 MILOS 65 RETHIMNO 142
POROS 36 SIKINOS 85 SAMOS 143
HYDRA 38 SKYROS 85 ASTYPALEA 144
AEGINA 41 FOLEGANDROS 78 LEROS 144
SERIFOS 48 KYTHIRA 101 LIMNOS 152
SPETSES 53 SANTORINI 105 IRAKLIO 154
SYROS 55 ANAFI 118 LESBOS 154
TINOS 58 AMORGOS 111 KALYMNOS 156
ANDROS 59 IKARIA 116 KOS 172
PAROS 65 ALONNISOS 117 TILOS 182
MIKONOS 67 SKOPELOS 119 SYMI 202
DILOS 66 HIOS 120 KARPATHOS 218
NAXOS 77 SKIATHOS 125 RODOS 221
IOS 86 HANIA 131 KASTELORIZO 255

All distances are in Nautical miles.

Calais to Lyon 755 kms - stop overnight near Reims
Lyon to Torino 355 kms - Stop overnight at Chambery
Torino to Ancona 340 kms
Ancona to Patras (Over night Ferry to Patras)
Patras to Athens 210 kms
Athens to Cape Sounion 60 kms

TOTAL 1720 kms or 1075 miles one way

ARE YOU UP TO IT??
:cool:

1075 miles? Is that all? Ah well I'll tell you what, I'll buy one of those trailers for bikes, shove the SIB in that when I get one, hook it up to my mountain bike, and off I go!

Matt (sense the sarcasm) Brown

I've done worst than than that.
Have towed a 10 mtr cougar on a 6 wheeled braked trailer hiched on a winnie bago fron Detroit to Key West (1600 miles about) to take it for a spin during our hols (about 8 years ago I think).
If you find how long that took us you may very well win a price!!
1000 miles is a dodle mate
:D

As I said people I'm off on a biz trip on Sun. If you are interested for this trip can you pls let me know how many so I can ask for prices at the hotel, and also ferry crossing fares in FAST FERRIES line.
If I don't receive any messages in this forum by say Monday am I will assume that we forget the idea.
Thanks
:V

Are you waiting for responses till Monday ? I thought you would be in Greece by Monday.
Or AM I WRONG ?:@

The other alternative is that we could share Ribs and expenses.

I.e. Some of us could take our Ribs and some could fly to Greece

Then we get out there we can all share boats, whilst this idea offends the capatilist in me it does seem pragmatic.

Batfalcon, Manos and Dimitris can just stroll down to the Marinas...lucky Dabs.

So far the most beutiful harbour I have ever sailed into was Hydra will these ports be able to better that.

Oh yes and the most important thing. do they still sell fresh strawberries in September

Can't wait

Hi all,

It sounds like a very good idea and I'll be very glad to see you all in my country. I am willing to try my best in organising this nice but EXPENSIVE idea.

I think someone should look at other alternatives as well, since towing your ribs is going to be very expensive.

THEWAVEHUMPER's idea is very realistic. Furthermore, I am sure I can find a number of greek rib owners who are willing to take part in such a trip and moreover be willing to take crew (guess who) on their ribs. Towards this end I will talk to a very good friend of mine, who happens to be a journalist in the Greek magazine for ribs and one of their major rib tester. He knows a lot of "rib" people , rib clubs etc ............

Another alternative to towing is to use lorrys or even train. I think is going to work out cheaper, safer and easier. I can speak to friend who used to wrok in this industry and try to get some quotes.

Now coming to formalities, I send a letter last year to the coastguard asking them if the greek regulations for small boats applies to boats under a foreign flag. Well, the useless bureaucrats send me an official answer , a copy of the greek regulations !!!
I will try to sort this out.

Regards



Dimitris

Hi and a BIG thanks to all who bothered to reply.

Batfalcon as you know I'm here and will se you shortly.

Dimitri, sounds great but the idea of train is not possible (have checked that already since I have been making this trip for the last 7 years), lorries never checked but I think that may be expenssive. However, I am very certain that GREEK REGS apply to foreign boats (after a BSc (hons), finished an LLM in the UK together with an MSc in shipping management finace so I know a bit about shipping law) unless Greece being such a wonderful country has different laws than the rest of the World.
Nevertheless, it will be great if you can find what the rules stipulate. I have a RIB in Greece under British flag and I'm carrying all the necessary and uncessary items Greek regs stipulate.
Dimitri, FOUSKO mag will be testing my RIB which is in Greece the coming weekend and will also be mentioning the subject of some creasy people from the UK will be coming to Greece for a RIB adventure and whether they will be interested to cover it.

Last but not least, Wavehumper agree with your comments. Yes they still sell strawberies in Sept. If you though that Hydra was a nice port (is a nice little harbour agree) wait until you sail into Santorini Caldera in the evening, Antiparos little harbour or to Castro in Sifnos and Korisia Port in Kea, Loutra in Kithnos or even Milos.

Well as this is a very lose arrangement I will be checking with the local little hotel in Sounion and ask for prices if we are say 10 people. I will also be asking Fast Ferries whether they arfe prepared to give any discounts.

Can you advise me please hight of car and RIBs as well as LOA and make/type of vehicle you intend to use.

GREAT STUFF!!
;) :D

As promissed there are some prices I have collected:

a. Saron hotel 2ble room B&B Euro 65/day
4 beds room B&B Euro 90/day

b. Ferries (Super Fast Ferries) They did not give me a discount
vehicle and up to 6 mtrs trailer and up to 1.90 mtrs hight
Euro 595 return Sept 2003 prices
Vehicle and up to 9 mtrs trailer and up to 1.90 mtrs hight
Euro 560 return
Cabins 4 berth 1st cals Euro 233 each return
2 berth 1st calss Euro 330 each return

While in Greece please estimate about Euro 30-50pp/day fpr food etc.
Petrol in Greece is Euro Cent 0.74-0.78/ltr
Can any one say if they are seriously interested since you now know the approximate costs.

Thanks

Sea State like a 'milk pond'
Tem 22 deg C
Sunny VERY SUNNY
Vis UNLIMITED :V

behing you can see a pine forest
Lovely day today

For Manos it sure was. Don't know which to mention first. The calm sea, the brilliant sunshine, or the high (more than 20 C) temp. It was one of those days that make you jelous.

I understand that for many (not to say all) of the UK community of this forum a trip to Greece towing a RIB on a trailer tere and back may be expenssive, long and a bit tedious.

However, what about the Greeks of this forum any of you lads want to cruise in company the Aegean beg July this summer??

Say go to Kea, Kithnos, Serifos, Paros/Antiparos, Ios and if the weather holds up to Santorini and back all this in 2 weeks time. Itinerary will include lots of spear gub fishing, tawling (if any one will be pationed enough to do it), B+Qs on the beach with plenty of wine and lots of fun.

This however, needs a lot of planing i.e. time of departure (THE MOST IMPORTANT :)) booking hotels or rooms, arranging for petrol stops, emergency procedures etc.

If you are interested please let me know (best to email me) to have a meeting when I'll be in Greece for the next 2 weeks or so.

Some of you guys said that you will be coming.
So there are some photos from the Cape and the Poseidon Temple and also the link is for the cruising area

http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=13836#post13836

With the cruising area

Too boring, no big waves to leap about on.........:D

...and less back pain at the end of the journey LOLOL =)