Halmatic Atlantic 22

What size of outboard would you need to push this along?

http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/view/FMA002/

I believe one went on the deaville rally, driven and owned by the altlantic web man who's name escapes me. I believe it had a 250 Mariner on it.
Heres the engine:

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/ATW204

the boat is forsale as a bareboat on there somewhere

Alex

The description is a little confusing :eh: thought the Atlantics were 21 feet long and made by the RNLI themselves in which case they had 2 x 70 evinrudes as standard fit. The Halmatic Arctics had a deep V hull all the way to the stern like the ADS pointed out. However agree with ADS, a big V6 2 stroke at 30 gallons an hour should push her along nicely :eek:

Pete

I've seen these with a twin setup aka: RNLI syle just didn't know what the power output was. Perhaps it could be fitted with a next generation desiel engine?

The atlantic 21 was a halmatic rib which is supplied to the lifeboat who then fitted it out with there own equipment. They use twin 70hp evinrudes. The boat on boats and outboards is an arctic 22 which was built by halmatic and supplied to the army and the navy.

This boat will take anything from single 90hp to 225hp or twin 75hp upto twin 175hp.

I have just had one of these in which I sold, It had twin 115HP engines and did about 45 knots flat out.

These are one of the best built boats which will take you through most weather (skipper dependant).

That pic looks like a floating fuel station.

You couldn't afford to smoke on that boat....

That pic looks like a floating fuel station.


Notice that none of them appear to be strapped down either...Scary.

The Mod Artic 22 with twin Mariner 90, 2 strokes will do about 36knts. We have tried one with twin 135 strokes on, i cant remember how quick it was but we were told by the customer that it was to fast and too twitchy, so they went for the twin 90s.

What size of outboard would you need to push this along?

http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/view/FMA002/

Hightower, are you interested in this boat or just inquisitive? It's not too far away if you need someone to take a peak at it. I'm familiar with Ferry Marine. They always seemed reasonable guys to me.

That ad has just been re done on boatsandoutbaords and is now advertised at £50k :eek:

If I remember correctly,

The Atlantics were also offered by Halmatic as rescue craft for North Sea standy vessels and the like.

Arctic has tubes secured in an aluminium channel.
Atlantic has tubes glued on.

Atlantic has wide planing flat on the bottom
Arctic - not sure if it does or not - but suspect not.

My old boss had an ex RNLI Atlantic 21. Very well balanced boat. Twin 50/55hp two cylinder Evinrudes and made 32/33 knots.
Planing flat made for a bit of a harsh ride when going fast but good accelleration.
Fantastic quality build.
If it makes 33 knots from 110hp it should be reasonably economical with a modern engine?

Put an opti / e-tec / hpdi on it of about 150hp and I reckon it should do maybe 40 knots and cruising at a bit below 30 at 1 litre per mile?

Could be a good boat and not a lot of money if the condition is good.

Many moons ago (1992?) had a ride in a MOD Police RIB which I think was an Arctic 22 with twin 140hp (2 stroke) Suzukis. Went like stink.

Spoken with Paul at Ferry Marine and this is an Arctic 22 not atlantic. It is £5k as per first advert (not £50k as the second one suggested).

Anyone know the weight of this boat?

Ahhh right, that's why he re-advertised it then. Still I think it'll be a bargain for someone.

Tim did Paul say he'd take an offer for it?

Nothing about an offer. I quite fancy it my self, if only it weren't all the way up there.....

Spoken with Paul at Ferry Marine and this is an Arctic 22 not atlantic. It is £5k as per first advert (not £50k as the second one suggested).

Anyone know the weight of this boat?

I think that fully loaded an RNLI Atlantic is about 1500kg?

I would think it is more like 2500kg's fully rigged with a tank of gas. Pete 7 would have an Idea.

I would think it is more like 2500kg's fully rigged with a tank of gas. Pete 7 would have an Idea.

3200lbs for an Atlantic 75 with twin 70hp:

http://www.burnham-on-sea.com/rnli/lifeboat-fleet.html

2500kg sounds about right for a Pacific.

Ahrr lighter than I expected. They are well solid boats though!

That pic looks like a floating fuel station.

You couldn't afford to smoke on that boat....

Dave Manning wouldn't have a problem :D

Andy, at 1600 kgs you might need one of these trailers to launch it,

Pete

Spoken with Paul at Ferry Marine and this is an Arctic 22 not atlantic. It is £5k as per first advert (not £50k as the second one suggested).

Anyone know the weight of this boat?

Are arctic 22 with twin 115hp fichts with all the kit including self righting bag weighed in at 2200 kg

2700 kg on the trailer

Are arctic 22 with twin 115hp fichts with all the kit including self righting bag weighed in at 2200 kg

2700 kg on the trailer



Out of interest, do your engines have a way of restarting if you tip the boat over? Just thinking if you have self righting gear do you have engines that will start again??

Out of interest, do your engines have a way of restarting if you tip the boat over? Just thinking if you have self righting gear do you have engines that will start again??

The engines wouldn't just start again on there own. First we would have to take the plugs out and turn the engines over a about 20 revolutions. Then put the plugs back in and turn over a further 20 revolutions to get any water out of the crankcase and into the pots. Then the plugs come out again and a further 20 or so reverlutions should expell the rest of the water. With the fichts having a sealed pressurised fuel system there shouln't be water in the fuel unless it has entered the fuel tank. New plugs are put in and hopefully she should fire.

This method works perfectly on a carburettor 2 stroke engine and the results if done right will get the engine running no problems but with 2 stroke direct injection engines it could be touch and go if they start down to there being so many electronics on them.

If done right on a fight engine it my get you home. Which is better than being upside with no engines.

Even if this method did fail at least the boat would be up the right way with a sea anchor deployed to keep you head to wind would give you more chance of survival than clinging on to an upside down hull. Plus you also have easy access to equipment such as vhf to contact the coastguard.

The engines wouldn't just start again on there own. First we would have to take the plugs out and turn the engines over a about 20 revolutions. Then put the plugs back in and turn over a further 20 revolutions to get any water out of the crankcase and into the pots. Then the plugs come out again and a further 20 or so reverlutions should expell the rest of the water. With the fichts having a sealed pressurised fuel system there shouln't be water in the fuel unless it has entered the fuel tank. New plugs are put in and hopefully she should fire.

This method works perfectly on a carburettor 2 stroke engine and the results if done right will get the engine running no problems but with 2 stroke direct injection engines it could be touch and go if they start down to there being so many electronics on them.

If done right on a fight engine it my get you home. Which is better than being upside with no engines.

Even if this method did fail at least the boat would be up the right way with a sea anchor deployed to keep you head to wind would give you more chance of survival than clinging on to an upside down hull. Plus you also have easy access to equipment such as vhf to contact the coastguard.


What about your starter motor? has it been water proofed? I know that when the are hot they will draw water in because they cool down very quickly. Once there full of water i would be very suprised if it will turn over. Have you actually turned one over and tried to restart it in salt water? Im just interested how well it will work. Also if you have turned the boat over it's going to be pretty ruff sea, I wonder how easy it would be to take off the cowlings take the plugs out and do all that you have to do with no engine power to keep the boat from going over again. I was thinking of having a self righting bag but im not sure that it worth the money unless the engines can be started again. :thumbs:

What about your starter motor? has it been water proofed? I know that when the are hot they will draw water in because they cool down very quickly. Once there full of water i would be very suprised if it will turn over. Have you actually turned one over and tried to restart it in salt water? Im just interested how well it will work. Also if you have turned the boat over it's going to be pretty ruff sea, I wonder how easy it would be to take off the cowlings take the plugs out and do all that you have to do with no engine power to keep the boat from going over again. I was thinking of having a self righting bag but im not sure that it worth the money unless the engines can be started again. :thumbs:

I have never tried it with the ficht engines but I have sealed the starter and as much of the elecrics as I can but as you know water gets in every where.
I have capsized the inshore lifeboat (d-class) which we do as part of the training with a boat specifically for capizing. The 2 stroke 50hp engines start no problems after running through the capsize procedure and it is tricky to get the cowling of plugs out and go through the long rigmerole in rough weather but is possible (especially if you are a lifeboat crew member and would die of embarrasment to have to call the boys out).

To help prevent the boat going over again we would lay a sea anchor or drogue to keep us head to sea (and cross our fingers).

Even if we could not start the engines again I would consider a boat the right way up is better than the crew clinging to an upturned boat. Also we carry a liferaft for coding I would imagine it to be impossible to get the raft out with boat upside down.

I personally think it is worth carrying just for those few points.

We are currenty building are second arrtic 22 and we are going to put a self righting bag on it.

If you want a price on a bag give eurocraft in preston a ring.

Boat is now sold......